Black militia group wants to arrest Trayvon Martin shooter

[Iraqgunz]

I too am tired of this President and his lack of leadership and the conduct of the AG. When the issue of Black Panthers intimidating voters in certain areas came to light I don't remember either of them speaking out.

Had that situation been reversed and it was the Klan or some other whacky white group they would have hammered them with the full force of the DOJ.

Then we have the President coming out making the stupid comment about Trayvon and that could have been my son. He should have kept his comments neutral and simply stated that the DOJ would assist the local police and that his feelings go out to all of those involved.

After the stupid NBPP statement the President and the AG both should have come out and stated that such behavior will not be tolerated and anyone found trying to interfere or escalate acts of violence will be hammered into the ground. `

In any case their behavior seems to be on par with the last 3.5 years. I can only hope that Holder sees the inside of a prison cell for his involvement in Fast and Furious. But, I won't hold my breath.

[Streck-Fu]

Everything about this case is being manipulated by the parents lawyer.

LINK

More than a month later, there still has been no arrest.

But thanks largely to Crump's efforts, the case has stirred marches and rallies around the nation, merited comment from President Barack Obama, led to the resignation of the Sanford police chief and brought scrutiny from the U.S. Department of Justice into this Orlando suburb of 55,000 residents.

"When you have the president commenting on the matter and you have celebrities and politicians wearing their hoodies as a symbol of the cause that you're representing, and it has taken over the world's attention, this is overwhelming in a sense," said Crump, who was in Washington for several days of meeting with members of Congress and appearing on national news shows. "We've been pushing relentlessly day and night."

Crump's strategy for making the case international news began with a series of heart-wrenching news conferences in which Martin's parents spoke about their loss. Florida media outlets began to notice. Then, he enlisted U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown to help convince authorities to release 911 tapes, recordings that brought the case to the attention of national media. He's further ratcheted pressure on authorities by organizing a series of rallies and working with national civil rights figures such as Al Sharpton.

The push began not long after Martin's death on the night of Feb. 26. Martin, wearing a hoodie, was walking home from a Sanford, Fla. convenience store when he was spotted by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who called a police dispatcher to report Martin as suspicious. There was a confrontation, and Martin was shot. Zimmerman has told detectives he shot Martin in self-defense.
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Crump and his law partner, Daryl Parks, are Tallahassee-based personal injury attorneys who primarily handle wrongful death and negligence cases. But their everyday work often involves civil rights issues.

"Daryl and Ben look at things in a broader perspective," said James Messer, a Tallahassee attorney who serves on the board of the Tallahassee Bar Association with Crump. "While there may be a wrongful death issue, it involves, in their eyes, more than anything a civil rights cause ... (Crump) has a passion for issues that have something to do with civil rights violations."

[Stargazer]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Stargazer-- your response

Thank you, Sigaba, for providing me with insight into your reasoning.

Your understanding of black political activity goes far beyond mine as an observer. I will even suggest that it goes beyond the perspective of most Americans. I just don't see the majority of individuals giving that level of thought to anything. Most are busy with the business of everyday life and don't get involved in matters until they feel a direct impact. This is why I find the words of those in visible leadership positions that are less than impeccable and lacking in credibility so concerning. That sentiment is felt by the majority of people based on what I hear. It is not just the actions of the black political activity that must be considered but the reaction by those on the receiving end. There will be 'an equal or opposite reaction.'

At the grassroot level -- people are dealing with a lot of factors in this country. Tolerance levels are lowering and uncertainty of ones personal security increases unrest. We are becoming a powder keg.... I pray that ZonieDiver is right, that "cooler heads will prevail". Truly I do....

[BOfH]

Originally Posted by Stargazer

Entire post.

Nailed it IMHO. Much of the "leadership" in this case has an agenda, and the rest of America which is on the receiving end of their dribble probably won't recognize it for what it is.

Sigaba, while I don't always agree with you either, even in areas where you definitely know more than I , if the masses gave even a fraction of the critical thought in their decisions as you put in to your responses, this country probably wouldn't be in the situation that it is, hell, there is a good chance this thread would have never been.

[Pete]

Lamestream Media strikes again.....

NBC News Accused of Editing 911 Call in Trayvon Martin Controversy (Video)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...11-call-306359

".........In the NBC segment, Zimmerman says: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

The full version, though, unfolds like this:

Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”

911 operator: “Okay. And this guy, is he white black or Hispanic?”

Zimmerman: “He looks black.”.................."

This has been floating around the last couple of days on the air. This was the first print story I found.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Pete

Lamestream Media strikes again.....

NBC News Accused of Editing 911 Call in Trayvon Martin Controversy (Video)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...11-call-306359

".........In the NBC segment, Zimmerman says: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

The full version, though, unfolds like this:

Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”

911 operator: “Okay. And this guy, is he white black or Hispanic?”

Zimmerman: “He looks black.”.................."

This has been floating around the last couple of days on the air. This was the first print story I found.

That pisses me off.

Sigabaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

[Dusty]

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=50546

If it had been a white teenager who was shot, and a 28-year-old black guy who shot him, the black guy would have been arrested.

So assert those demanding the arrest of George Zimmerman, who shot and killed Trayvon Martin.

And they may be right.

Yet if Trayvon had been shot dead by a black neighborhood watch volunteer, Jesse Jackson would not have been in a pulpit in Sanford, Fla., howling that he had been "murdered and martyred."

Maxine Waters would not be screaming "hate crime."

Rep. Hank Johnson would not be raging that Trayvon had been "executed." And ex-Black Panther Bobby Rush would not have been wearing a hoodie in the well of the House.

Which tells you what this whipped-up hysteria is all about.

It is not about finding the truth about what happened that night in Sanford when Zimmerman followed Trayvon in his SUV, and the two wound up in a fight, with Trayvon dead.

It is about the exacerbation of and the exploitation of racial conflict.

And it is about an irreconcilable conflict of visions about what the real America is in the year 2012.

Zimmerman "profiled" Trayvon, we are told. And perhaps he did.

But why? What did George Zimmerman, self-styled protector of his gated community, see that night from the wheel of his SUV?

He saw a male. And males are 90 percent of prison inmates. He saw a stranger over 6 feet tall. And he saw a black man or youth with a hood over his head.

Why would this raise Zimmerman's antennae?

Perhaps because black males between 16 and 36, though only 2 to 3 percent of the population, are responsible for a third of all our crimes.
In some cities, 40 percent of all black males are in jail or prison, on probation or parole, or have criminal records. This is not a product of white racism but of prosecutions and convictions of criminal acts.

Had Zimmerman seen a black woman or older man in his neighborhood, he likely would never have tensed up or called in.

For all the abuse he has received, Geraldo Rivera had a point.

Whenever cable TV runs hidden-camera footage of a liquor or convenience store being held up and someone behind the counter being shot, the perp is often a black male wearing a hoodie.

Listening to the heated rhetoric coming from demonstrations around the country, from the Black Caucus and TV talkers -- about how America is a terrifying place for young black males to grow up in because of the constant danger from white vigilantes -- one wonders what country of the mind these people are living in.

The real America is a country where the black crime rate is seven times as high as the white rate. It is a country where white criminals choose black victims in 3 percent of their crimes, but black criminals choose white victims in 45 percent of their crimes.

Black journalists point to the racism manifest even in progressive cities, where cabs deliberately pass them by to pick up white folks down the block.

That this happens is undeniable. But, again, what is behind it?

As Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute has written, from January to June 2008 in New York City, 83 percent of all identified gun assailants were black and 15 percent were Hispanics.

Together, blacks and Hispanics accounted for 98 percent of gun assaults.

Translated: If a cabdriver is going to be mugged or murdered in New York City by a fare, 49 times out of 50 his assailant or killer will be black or Hispanic.

Fernando Mateo of the New York State Federation of Taxi Drivers has told his drivers, "Profile your passengers" for your own protection. "The God's honest truth is that 99 percent of the people that are robbing, stealing, killing these guys are blacks and Hispanics."

Fernando Mateo is himself black and Hispanic.

To much of America's black leadership and its media auxiliaries, what happened in Sanford was, as Jesse put it, that an innocent kid was "shot down in cold blood by a vigilante."

Yet, from police reports, witness statements, and the father and friends of Zimmerman, another picture emerges.

Zimmerman followed Trayvon, confronted him, and was punched in the nose, knocked flat on his back and jumped on, getting his head pounded, when he pulled his gun and fired. That Trayvon's body was found face down, not face up, would tend to support this.

But, to Florida Congresswoman Federica Wilson, "this sweet young boy ... was hunted down like a dog, shot on the street, and his killer is still at large."

Some Sanford police believed Zimmerman; others did not.

But now that it is being investigated by a special prosecutor, the FBI, the Justice Department and a coming grand jury, what is the purpose of this venomous portrayal of George Zimmerman?

As yet convicted of no crime, he is being crucified in the arena of public opinion as a hate-crime monster and murderer.

Is this our idea of justice?

No. But if the purpose here is to turn this into a national black-white face-off, instead of a mutual search for truth and justice, it is succeeding marvelously well.

[Sigaba]

@Stargazer @BofH

Thank you both.

MOO, there may be a 'translation' issue at play in which some cohorts of Americans miss completely how other cohorts are discussing/debating issues intensely because we do not know how to decode the transmissions.

As an example, say you're at a stop light and some guy pulls up along side of you, his car stereo blaring. Because the driver strikes you as a douche bag and because you don't care for the music, you just hear noise.

You glance at him, he glares at you, light turns green, and you go on with your lives. Missed in the exchange are the lyrics and the sensibility of the music and the layered, nuanced, conflicted meanings therein. (And if you listen to certain genres of certain types of music, beneath the "noise" is often a pointed message: Hey, youngster, maybe you should think about getting your head out of your ass and pulling your life together because all of this bling bling stuff has a really short shelf life.*)

The guy drives to a friend's house to have a few laughs and to watch the latest Tyler Perry film. In this film, Mr. Perry puts on a dress and acts like a fool. Yet, just beneath the surface is a sustained blistering critique of certain lifestyle choices and a discussion of viable alternatives.

Maybe the guy gets the memo. Maybe he doesn't. (To paraphrase Freud, sometimes a douche bag is just a douche bag.) Maybe the guy already got the memo, and he's trying to figure out as he applies to college. My point is, the memos are being written and sent out. Sometimes, they just get lost in translation.

IMO, the third rail in these types of discussions is humiliation. Like many--if not most--Americans, blacks do not like to be humiliated. However, there is a long terrible history of American civilization being geared to do just that. I think that while many Americans are doing what they can to dismantle this towering relic of our collective past, it continues to dominate the landscape and shape how issues of race are discussed.

My $0.02.

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* MOO, before he turned his focus to television, Ice-T was especially good at raising such questions. Now, he mostly uses Twitter to put people in check.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

@Stargazer @BofH

Thank you both.

MOO, there may be a 'translation' issue at play in which some cohorts of Americans miss completely how other cohorts are discussing/debating issues intensely because we do not know how to decode the transmissions.

As an example, say you're at a stop light and some guy pulls up along side of you, his car stereo blaring. Because the driver strikes you as a douche bag and because you don't care for the music, you just hear noise.

You glance at him, he glares at you, light turns green, and you go on with your lives. Missed in the exchange are the lyrics and the sensibility of the music and the layered, nuanced, conflicted meanings therein. (And if you listen to certain genres of certain types of music, beneath the "noise" is often a pointed message: Hey, youngster, maybe you should think about getting your head out of your ass and pulling your life together because all of this bling bling stuff has a really short shelf life.*)

The guy drives to a friend's house to have a few laughs and to watch the latest Tyler Perry film. In this film, Mr. Perry puts on a dress and acts like a fool. Yet, just beneath the surface is a sustained blistering critique of certain lifestyle choices and a discussion of viable alternatives.

Maybe the guy gets the memo. Maybe he doesn't. (To paraphrase Freud, sometimes a douche bag is just a douche bag.) Maybe the guy already got the memo, and he's trying to figure out as he applies to college. My point is, the memos are being written and sent out. Sometimes, they just get lost in translation.

IMO, the third rail in these types of discussions is humiliation. Like many--if not most--Americans, blacks do not like to be humiliated. However, there is a long terrible history of American civilization being geared to do just that. I think that while many Americans are doing what they can to dismantle this towering relic of our collective past, it continues to dominate the landscape and shape how issues of race are discussed.

My $0.02.

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* MOO, before he turned his focus to television, Ice-T was especially good at raising such questions. Now, he mostly uses Twitter to put people in check.

Can you explain why the black cohort and the Latino cohort commit, together, 98 percent of the taxi cab robberies in the Big Apple?

[akv]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Can you explain why the black cohort and the Latino cohort commit, together, 98 percent of the taxi cab robberies in the Big Apple?

Maybe they don't like Pakistanis?

[The Reaper]

Not to be blunt, but at what point are we done buying large groups of people off and begin to hold them accountable for their actions?

When I hear someone next to me playing rude, racist, sexist, misogynistic, sociopathic, and obnoxious music at loud volumes, my first thought is what an asshole they are, and the second is why do they seem to think that I want to hear their selection of "music?"

Seriously, I rarely hear anyone blaring country music, and never classical.

Why is it that people who play rap seem to think that everyone else must be subjected to it?

TR

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Can you explain why the black cohort and the Latino cohort commit, together, 98 percent of the taxi cab robberies in the Big Apple?

The answer to your question is "no." I am not a criminologist, a sociologist, nor an urban historian.

In my neighborhood, the deadbeats, thieves, and lowlifes are white. I don't know if using race as my prime descriptor helps my ability to figure out what is going on. I am pretty sure that thinking in such terms isn't going to help me get to where I want to go as a person.

[longrange1947]

However, there is a long terrible history of American civilization being geared to do just that. I think that while many Americans are doing what they can to dismantle this towering relic of our collective past, it continues to dominate the landscape and shape how issues of race are discussed.

And will continue to do so as long as the NAACP, Jesse, and Al and all the other race baiters continue to over react to everything perceived as racial. Maybe it is just an asshole, maybe just an uncouth idiot, zero race involved. However, it becomes racial with them and they push it to make sure they have traction and they continue to receive the power that goes along with it.

MOO but the damn "journalists", as in NBC, that edit, not for brevity but for sensationalism, should be fired and damned by all.

And Sigaba, you turn a pretty phrase here and there, but on the whole I feel a lot of it is Bovine Scatology of the male type.

[plato]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Not to be blunt, but at what point are we done buying large groups of people off and begin to hold them accountable for their actions?

TR

As long as they create children with no future and walk away, I suspect that that we'll continue to clean up their messes.

Doesn't that make *us* the maids?

[99meters]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Can you explain why the black cohort and the Latino cohort commit, together, 98 percent of the taxi cab robberies in the Big Apple?

Because "people" are messed up. 99% of the meth-heads I deal with are white. 99% of the juveniles I deal with for popping pills or doing cocaine are white. Most hate crimes a committed by white males. Most serial killers are white males.
People are messed up, you can't just profile by race.