Black militia group wants to arrest Trayvon Martin shooter

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Paslode

I believe 'reluctance to diffuse' is a stretch.....rather I would say the Administration is not letting this crisis go to waste and in fact they have fueled the fire with their words and are endorsing the behavior with their inaction.

Just being civil this anger management program is not all it's cracked up to be.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Dusty

You obliquely accused me of comparing blacks with insects. How is that respectful? I'd call it snide and an act of effrontery, regardless of whose house we're in.

If they had a "Professional Deniers" forum, and I logged on, I wouldn't accuse you in that manner, whether we were buds are didn't know each other from Adam.

You see what's going on, but, since you are free to express your views, you continue to play devil's advocate for the subjects who are in the wrong, and it pisses me off (whether you do it respectfully or act like an ass).

QP Dusty--

With respect, I raised a question about your choice of words and their propriety in the context of this thread. This question was prompted by my understanding of the ways issues of race have been discussed in this country since the 1830s and the impact of that rhetoric on the history of our country. I believe that words mean things. I further believe that one's choice of words can activate those meanings even as those meanings are becoming increasingly anachronistic.

To be clear, I am not playing devil's advocate in this thread. It is my belief that the NBPP is inconsequential. It is my view that the only power it has is the power we give to it. The basis of this conclusion is my understanding of American history, of the role radicalism has played in American politics generally, and of the patterns of political activity by blacks arcing back to the late eighteenth century.

In my view, there is not enough fuel, nor heat, nor air to ignite the dormant fire of black radical militancy. However, the profound misreading of the conditions on the ground, abetted by an unfamiliarity with the tone and tempo of African American political discourse, is prompting some to yell "fire" when it is just smoke and mirrors.

The NBPP wants to use the Zimmerman/Martin incident as an opportunity for publicity. It, and other fringe elements on the left and the right, want to stir the pot and to exploit the genuine concerns of many Americans. MOO, such efforts can only be successful if we buy into their narratives.

In short, I don't think this is about the NBPP. I think that this is about how we, as individuals, use critical thought, civil discourse, and the "search button" to counter the fear mongering and race baiting that is coming from both the left and the right.*

My $0.02.

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* IMO, the Trayvon Martin shooting reminds me a lot of the Edmund Perry shooting of 1985. That is, a sort of good-enough kid (depending upon who you ask) fails to understand the difference between having a bad attitude and being a bad ass and has the misfortune of paying for his misunderstanding with his life.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Dusty

He already threw his hat in with the "could be my son" comment.

No doubt - and his silence (with respect to the obvious inflammatory behavior by the NBPP) is also telegraphing a message that emboldens the NBPP and others.

Maybe he can triangulate and recognize his folly - but I fear he is a true ideologue. This is an election year...I hope those undecided recognize the danger this administration poses to this country.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

QP Dusty--

With respect, I raised a question about your choice of words and their propriety in the context of this thread. This question was prompted by my understanding of the ways issues of race have been discussed in this country since the 1830s and the impact of that rhetoric on the history of our country. I believe that words mean things. I further believe that one's choice of words can activate those meanings even as those meanings are becoming increasingly anachronistic.

To be clear, I am not playing devil's advocate in this thread. It is my belief that the NBPP is inconsequential. It is my view that the only power it has is the power we give to it. The basis of this conclusion is my understanding of American history, of the role radicalism has played in American politics generally, and of the patterns of political activity by blacks arcing back to the late eighteenth century.

In my view, there is not enough fuel, nor heat, nor air to ignite the dormant fire of black radical militancy. However, the profound misreading of the conditions on the ground, abetted by an unfamiliarity with the tone and tempo of African American political discourse, is prompting some to yell "fire" when it is just smoke and mirrors.

The NBPP wants to use the Zimmerman/Martin incident as an opportunity for publicity. It, and other fringe elements on the left and the right, want to stir the pot and to exploit the genuine concerns of many Americans. MOO, such efforts can only be successful if we buy into their narratives.

In short, I don't think this is about the NBPP. I think that this is about how we, as individuals, use critical thought, civil discourse, and the "search button" to counter the fear mongering and race baiting that is coming from both the left and the right.*

My $0.02.

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* IMO, the Trayvon Martin shooting reminds me a lot of the Edmund Perry shooting of 1985. That is, a sort of good-enough kid (depending upon who you ask) fails to understand the difference between having a bad attitude and being a bad ass and has the misfortune of paying for his misunderstanding with his life.

Respectfully, then, Sigaba you're wrong. As usual.

How is it "stirring the pot" when we link numerous news reports such as those posted in this thread that report utter racism in the intent of so many?

How many tweets did that dickhead Spike Lee put out? Enough to drive an innocent couple, in terror, out of their homes. That's not enough for you? The fact that Obama hasn't acted regarding the NBPP, New Black Militia, racist twitter account, illegal hoodie-wearing in session, blah-blah? When's it gonna be enough for you-when the fires and lootings start? Do you deny that this Country has endured fires and looting brought on by racist incidents such as OJ and Rodney King?

You're head's in the sand, bro. I'm not telling you to throw a f.cking sheet over your head, I'm giving you a head's up about trouble brewing in the street, and you continue to Poindexter my ass to death.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Sig-Obama didn't unite politicians nor did he unite the races. One of my main points is that he's exacerbated the problem, just as he did during the "cop acted stupidly" comedy.

This is serious, and it's being propagated by the left, and it isn't over.

Did you read the link above which states that the NBPP raised a "dead or alive" reward to 1 meelion dollars? And you're not worried about those assholes?

Please.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Sigaba;

It is my belief that the NBPP is inconsequential.

Maybe the NBPP would seem more consequential if they put out a "hit" on you?

In some neighborhoods a good lead on huffing some spray paint - let alone $10k - will get the job done.

The NBPP among others are way out of line on this matter and leadership needs to acknowledge this.

No matter the outcome regarding Z - guilty or innocent of a crime - we don't need vigilante groups posting a bounty and stirring up trouble in the streets. This is not about race this is about the rule of law. Reverse the races and I would argue the same. The reason we have a justice system is to reach an appropriate conclusion and not take justice into our own hands.

The bounty is absolutely dangerous and unacceptable - period.

[Stargazer]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

I believe that words mean things. I further believe that one's choice of words can activate those meanings even as those meanings are becoming increasingly anachronistic..

This is where you lose me. If one's words can activate meaning, than how is the following statement true .....

Originally Posted by Sigaba

It is my belief that the NBPP is inconsequential. It is my view that the only power it has is the power we give to it.

How can it be true of those in leadership positions that have said and acted outrageously? What I have heard and observed as an AMERICAN is unsettling to say the least. Because like you, words have meaning to me....

[99meters]

Originally Posted by tonyz

Maybe the NBPP would seem more consequential if they put out a "hit" on you?

In some neighborhoods a good lead on huffing some spray paint - let alone $10k - will get the job done.

The NBPP among others are way out of line on this matter and leadership needs to acknowledge this.

No matter the outcome regarding Z - guilty or innocent of a crime - we don't need vigilante groups posting a bounty and stirring up trouble in the streets. This is not about race this is about the rule of law. Reverse the races and I would argue the same. The reason we have a justice system is to reach an appropriate conclusion and not take justice into our own hands.

The bounty is absolutely dangerous and unacceptable - period.

Do you feel somebody would actually be able to collect on such a hit. Is this f%cking Hollywood, you put a bounty on someone's head and the world goes crazy?
There is enough shit posted in this thread to match what the media is putting out.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by 99meters

Do you feel somebody would actually be able to collect on such a hit.

Yeah, collection may be a problem...but the desired effect...another story.

We don't need no stinking bounties - maybe focus the anger there.

For cripes sake the New Orleans Saints put a bounty on knocking some dudes out of a game and Sigaba and others almost had an aneurysm.

YMMV

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by 99meters

Do you feel somebody would actually be able to collect on such a hit. Is this f%cking Hollywood, you put a bounty on someone's head and the world goes crazy?
There is enough shit posted in this thread to match what the media is putting out.

Do you feel somebody would actually be able to collect on such a hit.

Is that a question? If so, then, no; but that's not the purpose of the action. Surprise!

Is this f.cking Hollywood, you put a bounty on someone's head and the world goes crazy?

No. What movie was that? I missed it.

There is enough shit posted in this thread to match what the media is putting out.

Specifically what "shit"?

[longrange1947]

Originally Posted by 99meters

Do you feel somebody would actually be able to collect on such a hit. Is this f%cking Hollywood, you put a bounty on someone's head and the world goes crazy?
There is enough shit posted in this thread to match what the media is putting out.

You don't live in the real world do you? Hell yes someone will try the hit, will they collect, have no idea, but there are enough idiots to try.

I will add that this will play right into the BS Obama Admin's plan to bring on more gun control. Believe me, this is already happening.

This has nothing to do with "poor Trayvon", everything to do with a crisis and taking advantage.

No, I do not wear a tin foil hat, I just read the crap that dribbles out of the mouths of the liberals.

If you do not believe there are idiots that will dream of their new ride wiht that money then you do live in a dream world.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by tonyz

Yeah, collection may be a problem...but the desired effect...another story.

We don't need no stinking bounties - maybe focus the anger there.

For cripes sake the New Orleans Saints put a bounty on knocking some dudes out of a game and Sigaba and others almost had an aneurysm.

YMMV

In Sigaba's case? Almost, my ass.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by longrange1947

I will add that this will play right into the BS Obama Admin's plan to bring on more gun control. Believe me, this is already happening.

NAILED.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

In short, I don't think this is about the NBPP. I think that this is about how we, as individuals, {as well as groups, organizations, communities, and civic-minded Americans,} use critical thought, civil discourse, {public organizations,}and the "search button" to counter the fear mongering and race baiting that is coming from both the left and the right.

With the included caveats - I agree.

Or maybe we can try throwing MISO supported Cultural Support Teams into the fray to settle things down...kinda like playing Pashtun's and Persian's.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

It is my view that the only power it has is the power we give to it.

As for inanimate things such as words, pictures, songs, literature, events and concepts.....I will agree with you there. They all have meaning, they are in essence a loaded gun and it is up to the individual whether or not to empower them or to ignore them.

People on the other hand are animate, they have a mind of their own, they make conscious decisions and control their own destiny. Granted that many times ignoring a person or persons will achieve the result needed, but in some cases ignoring the problem only emboldens the problem.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

With the included caveats - I agree.

Or maybe we can try throwing MISO supported Cultural Support Teams into the fray to settle things down...kinda like playing Pashtun's and Persian's.

It's not the physical danger that the militants represent; you and Sig seem to be missing the point.

The danger is that the POTUS gets involved in such a manner as to nail down the notion to everyone who hasn't clapped his hands over his eyes that he has taken sides in the racial issue, reinforcing the truth that liberals use this type of fear-mongering as a political tool.

Then, typically, the WH issues a statement that the f.cking Republicans are the ones who are politicizing the incident.

Anyone who's cool with that HAS to be in the tank for the current administration.