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Old 03-26-2012, 16:49   #151
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.........-only in America folks...only in America...
...........Better her than for the family to wake up some morning and see the name registered to some fly by night organization raking in thousands of dollars using TM's name.

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Old 03-26-2012, 16:50   #152
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When you get out of your truck and decide to pursue a suspicious person you are playing cop. I don't care if the guy is white or hispanic, or if the kid is black. This guy brought a world of hurt on himself and some family by being stupid.
It's a gated community..... Get a good discription, call the cops, explain why he or his activity is suspicious and stay the hell in your truck. Simple!
If you have time, would you mind describing the entire incident in detail, so that we'll be as smart as you obviously are on the subject?

You were evidently on site, and witnessed the whole thing unfold...
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Old 03-26-2012, 17:15   #153
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When you get out of your truck and decide to pursue a suspicious person you are playing cop. I don't care if the guy is white or hispanic, or if the kid is black. This guy brought a world of hurt on himself and some family by being stupid.
It's a gated community..... Get a good discription, call the cops, explain why he or his activity is suspicious and stay the hell in your truck. Simple!
Silly me.

I thought that the standard was to let the LEOs do the investigation and the case to be heard in court before deciding who is guilty of what.

I guess you already have all of the facts and a different concept of justice.

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Old 03-26-2012, 17:56   #154
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When you get out of your truck and decide to pursue a suspicious person you are playing cop. I don't care if the guy is white or hispanic, or if the kid is black. This guy brought a world of hurt on himself and some family by being stupid.
It's a gated community..... Get a good discription, call the cops, explain why he or his activity is suspicious and stay the hell in your truck. Simple!
I'll remember your words the next time a young 22 y/o mother is being stabbed to death in front of her 2 year old. (Happened last night 10 miles from where I live) Or the next time I watch a heavily armed individual step from his vehicle sporting an assault rifle heading into an elementary school.

It's a good thing most of "us" will not heed your words of warning. You see we've already made the decision and drawn that line in the sand, decades ago. I don't carry a weapon just for my personal defense, that would be very shallow of me. I carry because I know how long it takes for the police to arrive at a situation and how long it takes for them to make their decision to take action.

Chew on that for a while.

And yeah, I'm waiting for a court of law to decide this case, not the media or the nuts on either side of the issue.
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Old 03-26-2012, 20:06   #155
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The new Black Panther Party offered a bounty of $10,000 Saturday for the “capture” of a Florida neighborhood watch captain who killed unarmed teen Trayvon Martin.

“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” leader Mikhail Muhammad said after announcing the reward for George Zimmerman at a protest in Sanford, Fla.

Muhammad called on 5,000 black men to mobilize and capture the neighborhood watch volunteer.

“If the government won’t do the job, we’ll do it,” Muhammad said, leading chants that included “freedom or death” and “justice for Trayvon.”

Muhammad said New Black Panther’s chairman, Malik Zulu Shabaz of Washington, was taking donations from black entertainers and athletes.

The group hopes to collect $1 million off the outrage by next week.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz1qBMFGqP2
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Old 03-26-2012, 20:13   #156
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Silly me.

I thought that the standard was to let the LEOs do the investigation and the case to be heard in court before deciding who is guilty of what.

I guess you already have all of the facts and a different concept of justice.

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You are very right Sir, that is the standard. He should have taken your advice and let LEOs do the investigation. You are doing what you are accusing me of; jumping to conclusions. I never stated I believe he was guilty nor did I get into the race issue, my only opinion was that his actions were foolish.
If the kid was stabbing his girlfriend, by all means get out of your truck and shoot him in the head. Any real man would/ should do this if he has the means. However, jumping out your truck to pursue some suspicious person through your neighborhood is just plain stupid in my book.
I consider my self a very patriotic person, but I have no intensions of buying a Larue and go hunting terrorist in Afghan. Because i may loose contact with the terrorist I'm pursuing, have him double back and confront me at my truck, punch me in the nose and knock me to ground with one blow, then bash my head into the pavement.

Sometimes you have to know when to leave shit alone.
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Old 03-26-2012, 20:25   #157
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Sometimes you have to know when to leave shit alone.
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Old 03-26-2012, 20:30   #158
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SANFORD -- As thousands of people gathered here to demand an arrest in the Trayvon Martin case, a more complicated portrait began to emerge of a teenager whose problems at school ranged from getting spotted defacing lockers to getting caught with a marijuana baggie and women’s jewelry.

The Miami Gardens teen who has become a national symbol of racial injustice was suspended three times, and had a spotty school record that his family’s attorneys say is irrelevant to the facts that led up to his being gunned down on Feb. 26.

In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area “hiding and being suspicious.” Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with “W.T.F” — an acronym for “what the f---.” The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.

Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a “burglary tool,” according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald. Word of the incident came as the family’s lawyer acknowledged that the boy was suspended in February for getting caught with an empty bag with traces of marijuana, which he called “irrelevant” and an attempt to demonize a victim.

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.

Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.

Trayvon was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to the report. School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation.

A lawyer for the dead teen’s family acknowledged Trayvon had been suspended for graffiti, but said the family knew nothing about the jewelry and the screwdriver.

“It’s completely irrelevant to what happened Feb. 26,” said attorney Benjamin Crump. “They never heard this, and don’t believe it’s true. If it were true, why wouldn’t they call the parents? Why wasn’t he arrested?”

Trayvon, who was a junior at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School, had never been arrested, police and the family have said.

“We think everybody is trying to demonize him,” Crump said.

No evidence ever surfaced that the jewelry was stolen.

“Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti,” according to the report prepared by schools police.

That suspension was followed four months later by another one in February, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”

The punishment was the third for the teen. On Monday, the family also said Trayvon had earlier been suspended for tardiness and truancy.

Trayvon was shot to death Feb. 26 while serving out his suspension in Sanford, where his father’s girlfriend lives. A neighborhood watch volunteer called the police to say he saw someone in a hoodie who looked high on drugs, and was suspicious because he walked too slowly in the rain. The unarmed teenager carried Skittles and iced tea, and was talking to his girlfriend on the phone, records show.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...#storylink=cpy
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Old 03-26-2012, 20:38   #159
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Sometimes you have to know when to leave shit alone.
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Having lived in a neighborhood where a neighborhood watch made the difference between residents cowering in their homes and thugs finding easier prey elsewhere, sometimes you have to stand up and be counted. Especially when there may (or may not - especially at shift change) be one cop on your end of the county and his backup is 45+ minutes away. Dirtbags love passive sheep. That's why some states are exercising the moral courage to pass CCW and "stand your ground" laws. You're entitled to your opinions - that is until you're telling me criminals have more rights than honest citizens and I'm supposed to accept being a victim.
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Old 03-26-2012, 21:21   #160
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I don't own a weapon, but I sure as hell wouldn't be waiting around in a vehicle while figuring out what it is I was going to do next. Especially if someone elses life was in danger. If I am the one on the ground at the end of the day, then so be it. I know where that line is and I will gladly cross it, 911 or no 911.
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Old 03-26-2012, 21:29   #161
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Saw this picture floating around the net.

Kinda like night and day, Hummmm .....
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A voice of reason from the Black community on the Trayvan Martin case topic....or at least I think so.


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Excerpted from DailyCaller - Former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant is accusing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of “exploiting” the Trayvon Martin tragedy to “racially divide this country.”

“His family should be outraged at the fact that they’re using this child as the bait to inflame racial passions,” Rev. C.L. Bryant said in a Monday interview with The Daily Caller.

The conservative black pastor who was once the chapter president of the Garland, Texas NAACP called Jackson and Sharpton “race hustlers” and said they are “acting as though they are buzzards circling the carcass of this young boy.”

Jackson, for example, recently said Martin’s death shows how “blacks are under attack” and “targeting, arresting, convicting blacks and ultimately killing us is big business. George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain, killed Martin, a 17-year-old black man who was unarmed at the time of his death, last month. Zimmerman has claimed to have shot Martin in self-defense and has not been charged with a crime.

But Bryant, who explores the topic of black-on-black crime in his new film “Runaway Slave,” said people like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”

“The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.” Bryant said he wishes civil rights leaders were protesting those problems.
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Saw this picture floating around the net.

Kinda like night and day, Hummmm .....
Just an FYI-- that picture in the lower right is of another Trayvon Martin, not the individual in question.

www.patdollard.com has some good info, and has actually done the investigative journalism where the rest of the media has woefully failed.

Also, just posted on that site: http://patdollard.com/2012/03/the-wh...ill-zimmerman/

The New Black Panther Party seems to be itching for a race war. I was not alive during the 60's, so I haven't seen stuff like this on the big picture before in the US. A question to you seasoned veterans (read: old people ) out there: Was it this bad back in the 60s?
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Old 03-26-2012, 22:25   #164
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Saw this picture floating around the net.

Kinda like night and day, Hummmm .....
Or in this case kinda like today...and yesterday...about 7 pages back.

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...2&postcount=70
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Old 03-26-2012, 22:32   #165
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Or in this case kinda like today...and yesterday...about 7 pages back.

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...2&postcount=70
D'oh. My bad. Skipped right over that.

Thanks for the correction.
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