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Old 03-25-2012, 14:39   #76
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Old 03-25-2012, 15:07   #77
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Black friend defends shooter of Florida teen

I guess the NBPP will have to take out a bounty on this guy too........


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Black friend defends shooter of Florida teen


By Daniel Trotta
SANFORD, Florida | Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:44pm EDT

(Reuters) - George Zimmerman is not a racist and cried for days after shooting dead a black Florida teenager, a black, longtime friend of Zimmerman said on Sunday in a sympathetic portrayal of a man maligned by critics as a trigger-happy bigot.

Zimmerman, 28, a white Hispanic, shot Trayvon Martin, 17, in what he said was self defense during an altercation in the gated community Zimmerman was watching on February 26 in Sanford, Florida. After attracting little notice initially, the case gained widespread attention, sparking protests and renewing a national debate about race.

"He couldn't stop crying. He's a caring human being," Joe Oliver, 53, a former television news reporter and anchor in Orlando who has known Zimmerman for several years, told Reuters in a telephone interview.

Oliver's wife is a close friend of Zimmerman's mother in law, who told him Zimmerman cried for days in remorse after the shooting. He also spoke directly with Zimmerman on Saturday.

"I mean, he took a man's life and he has no idea what to do about it. He's extremely remorseful about it," Oliver said.

Oliver's account differs from the withering criticism Zimmerman has sustained from demonstrators across the country who have demanded his arrest and accused him of racial bias in targeting Martin. Celebrities have taken up the cause of justice for the teen, and President Barack Obama said "all of us have to do some soul-searching" as a result of the tragedy.

"I'm a black male and all that I know is that George has never given me any reason whatsoever to believe he has anything against people of color," Oliver said.

Sanford police did not arrest Zimmerman, saying the evidence could not disprove his account of self-defense, though the case is under review by a state special prosecutor and the U.S. Justice Department.

Zimmerman dropped out of public view shortly after the shooting and his whereabouts were unknown. The New Black Panther Party, an African American organization taking its name from the radical group of the 1960s, has placed a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman.

"All these people who are threatening George, what makes them any better than the person they think he is?" Oliver said. "You've got all these people wanting to lynch the man and they don't know the whole story. There are huge gaps that are being filled in and interpreted without evidence."

Oliver tried to reach Zimmerman after the shooting but he had not spoken with him until Saturday in a conversation arranged by Zimmerman's lawyer, Craig Sonner.

'LEAP TO CONCLUSION'

As a black man, Oliver said minorities are often unfairly treated, but he believed Zimmerman was simply doing his job as a neighborhood watch volunteer by growing suspicious over an unfamiliar person walking through a neighborhood that had suffered some break-ins.

Martin lived in Miami but was with his father on a visit to his father's fiancée's home inside the gated community.

"I understand how they're able to leap to the conclusion. You have a dead teenager. This guy is white so it must be a hate crime. There's going to be evidence to come out that basically will justify George's concern," Oliver said.

"He (Zimmerman) confirmed for me that he was not the aggressor. But I did not go into details as to how it got to that aggressive point," Oliver said. Critics have expressed skepticism about Zimmerman's self defense claims and have faulted him for pursuing the teen against the instructions of an emergency operator.

At one point Oliver became choked with emotion talking about his friend and said he was coming forward freely even though it may expose him to reprisals.

"I just have to do what's right, not just for my friend but for everyone involved," Oliver said. "He's in hiding. His mother in law can't see her own daughter because she fears for their lives."
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Old 03-25-2012, 15:15   #78
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I guess the NBPP will have to take out a bounty on this guy too........


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Black friend defends shooter of Florida teen


By Daniel Trotta
SANFORD, Florida | Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:44pm EDT

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Zimmerman, 28, a white Hispanic, shot Trayvon Martin, 17, in what he said was self defense during an altercation in the gated community Zimmerman was watching on February 26 in Sanford, Florida.

Now, that's the first time I've ever heard of a qualifier in describing an Hispanic.
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Old 03-25-2012, 15:17   #79
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Dusty, not one to argue with my brothers. I just try not to regurgitate the media. They only want to get better ratings. They will tell uneducated black or white Americans anything to get them to watch their crap. And no self proclaimed leader black or white is going to be my spokesperson.

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I gotta get my intel from somewhere, though. I just choose to get it from someone that I know isn't in the tank for liberals.
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Old 03-25-2012, 17:52   #80
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No matter what, Zimmerman is fucked. You have people making his address public and other groups vowing to "arrest" him.

I think the part that is going to fuck him the most is when 911 said to stop following.
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Old 03-25-2012, 18:04   #81
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I think the part that is going to fuck him the most is when 911 said to stop following.
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How do we know he didn't do that when he was told?

What if he did stop following and started back to his place?

I think people are assuming he continued following Martin after being told not to do so. Just because the media offered that opinion, does not mean that it is correct.

This is what happens when publishing opinion takes the place of reporting facts.

Not that it hasn't happened before.

I would like to see an impartial investigation completed, before jumping to a conclusion of Zimmerman's guilt. I do not believe that it necessarily went down the way the media has reported. Kind of like Tawana Brawley and the Duke LAX rape case.

Your first part is correct, Zimmerman is screwed regardless of the legal outcome. And law-abiding gun owners may be as well.

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Old 03-25-2012, 18:32   #82
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You know if I was this guys bodyguard I'd just walk off the job...... how anyone can guard some of the left-wing wackos is beyond me. Hey Chuck, hows that no guns in NYC working for ya? Same as Chicago and Wash DC I hear....... I think I'll go purchase another gun tomorrow and a few thousand rounds of ammo.


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Schumer calls for federal probe of 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Florida shooting

Published March 25, 2012
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Sen. Chuck Schumer is calling on the Justice Department to investigate so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws following the fatal shooting of an unarmed Florida teen.

The law, a version of which was enacted in Florida in 2005, allows for individuals to use deadly force -- even outside their home -- if they feel threatened.

Since the shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, Republican leaders have called the killing a tragedy but argue that the law in question did not actually apply to this case.

Still, Schumer wrote in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder on Sunday that the laws themselves should be investigated.

"These laws seem to be encouraging vigilantism by allowing individuals to use deadly force as a first resort," Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a statement.

Schumer asked Holder's department to probe whether the laws "are creating more violence than they are preventing," and whether potential murders are "going unprosecuted" because of them.

He estimated that 23 states have some form of this law.

Schumer cited statistics in Florida showing that before the law was approved, the state averaged 12 justifiable homicides per year. The average subsequent to the law's enactment was 33.



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Old 03-25-2012, 18:42   #83
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You are correct. I've listened to the audio and thinking back, I don't recall if he backed off or not.

I would like to see an impartial investigation but, I don't think that is going to happen.

I am just saying because of the mindset of all outsiders, this kid is guilty no matter what the outcome.....again, fucked.
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This Ain't Fox News

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1050370

The new Black Panther Party offered a bounty of $10,000 Saturday for the “capture” of a Florida neighborhood watch captain who killed unarmed teen Trayvon Martin.

“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” leader Mikhail Muhammad said after announcing the reward for George Zimmerman at a protest in Sanford, Fla.

Muhammad called on 5,000 black men to mobilize and capture the neighborhood watch volunteer.

“If the government won’t do the job, we’ll do it,” Muhammad said, leading chants that included “freedom or death” and “justice for Trayvon.”

Muhammad said New Black Panther’s chairman, Malik Zulu Shabaz of Washington, was taking donations from black entertainers and athletes.

The group hopes to collect $1 million off the outrage by next week.


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Old 03-25-2012, 19:37   #85
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Reaper, it is the law-abiding gun owners who feel that their gun qualifies them to play cop that screw things up. If you want to play cop have more than one tool ( baton, pepper, taser) that way u don't shoot unarmed (kids) suspects during a confrontation.
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Reaper, it is the law-abiding gun owners who feel that their gun qualifies them to play cop that screw things up. If you want to play cop have more than one tool ( baton, pepper, taser) that way u don't shoot unarmed (kids) suspects during a confrontation.
"Stand your ground", The Castle Doctrine and the 2d Ammendment in general don't have anything to do with "playing cop." If we find out this guy went outside the parameters of his local ordinances, then he should be dealt with accordingly.

That doesn't call for abolishing a common-sense law that may not have been obeyed in the first place.

It also doesn't mean the New Black Militia or New Black Panther groups should be drumming up cash from rappers, ballplayers and athletes to put a bounty on the guy's head before the case has been litigated.
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I wonder how many NBPPs and their stooges will get removed from the gene pool for attempting to collect "bounties". I think that is a circumstance that would unquestionably be covered by the "stand your ground" laws.
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I wonder how many NBPPs and their stooges will get removed from the gene pool for attempting to collect "bounties". I think that is a circumstance that would unquestionably be covered by the "stand your ground" laws.
Hopefully, it won't escalate to the point to where anybody else has to get dead.
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It also doesn't mean the New Black Militia or New Black Panther groups should be drumming up cash from rappers, ballplayers and athletes to put a bounty on the guy's head before the case has been litigated.

If someone takes these thugs up on their offer and serves Zimmerman's remains to the Shabazz twins, we've trended back to Mississippi Burning and the Good Ole Boys Club....only difference is the roles will have been reversed.

If it happens Obama and Holder are going to have some explaining to do about their acceptance of Vigilante Justice.

Considering the NBPP is in essence advertizing and taking in money for a potential hit, at a minimum the ought to be getting the exact same treatment as the 7 Idiots of the Hutaree.
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If it happens Obama and Holder are going to have some explaining to do about their acceptance of Vigilante Justice.
You mean as opposed to their acceptance of voter intimidation at the polls?
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