SHERIFF JOE TO RELEASE 'INVESTIGATION' OF OBAMA...

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by tom kelly

At this point in time , The Executive, The Legislative, and The Judicial branches need the citizens to vote out the corrupt, lying and inefficient members out of office. The ultra left liberal Judges need to be made to resign or be impeached for their misguided agende to make & interpert the Constitution, The Bill of Rights and the other laws of the U S A. TK.

It's gonna be a long 8 months...

[greenberetTFS]

The Republican party is screwed,that don't have anyone to rally around to get the big "O" kicked out of office........Prepare for his next 4 years,the only help we can look forward to is JC's coming back again before the end of this term............

Big Teddy

[cbtengr]

Originally Posted by Dusty

At this point, I don't care, myself. I just want a brand new President.

One not raised on Rules for Radicals and groomed by domestic terrorists and racist preachers.

At this point I am willing to put my faith in the electorate come November, and I urge you all to try to do the same thing. There were a lot of gullible voters who bought what the annointed one was selling back in 08. Plus the fact that McCain was IMHO a terrible candidate. Obama has managed to burn almost everyone whether they voted for him or not. There will always be a percentage of democrat voters who will vote strictly along party lines. Our danger is that we are not far off from hitting the point where he has more than 50% of all voters on some sort of govt. program and dependant on the govt. This election may very well be our all or nothing election. Obama and his ilk have got to go, and its in the hands of conservatives and independants to see that he is removed. Its time for that "Silent Majority" to rise and have its voices heard.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by cbtengr

Our danger is that we are not far off from hitting the point where he has more than 50% of all voters on some sort of govt. program and dependant on the govt.

They'll stay home and watch judge shows instead of voting this time.
The Republican landslide will be similar to Reagan's.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

...the only help we can look forward to is JC's coming back again before the end of this term...

I hope not - I served during Jimmy Carter's first administration.

Richard

[alelks]

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

All you guys know I'll not a supporter of the big"O",however this info from snopes cannot be dismissed either........ I've learned a lot from Richard on addressing a post for accuracy,so http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp .......

Big Teddy

I'd personally say their so called expert is full of it and would like to see someone challenge him to duplicate the results with another document. No way in hell it was scanned/OCR'd and separated out the way that document was.

[sinjefe]

Originally Posted by Richard

But Obama is a natural-born citizen, even if he were not born within this country's borders, since one parent was a citizen at the time of his birth. As a congressional act approved on 26 March 1790 states:

Congress: "And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."


http://memory.loc.gov/ll/llsl/001/0200/02280104.tif

Another congressional act in 1795 issued a similar assurance, though it changed the language from "natural born citizen" to just "citizen."

But the State Department clarifies the issue, saying that the 1790 language is honored under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act. And even "IF" he was born outside the US - which I personally don't believe to be the case - this is the law as it is applied to:

• Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

• Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

And as far as SSANs go:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

Guess there's no chase as exciting as a wild goose chase - or a Loch Ness monster chase - or an Area51 UFO chase - or a remake of the "X Files" by TCM (Teaparty Conspiracy Movies) - or...but at what cost...

Now - about those 'REAL' issues...

And so it goes...

Richard

You left out that the 1790 congressional act goes on to say "Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been a resident of the United States

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

[ZonieDiver]

Dusty, good to see you back!

Dusty was gone?

As for Sheriff Joe's part in this, along with one of his "posses of the aged and infirm" - he is so full of it that his eyes have to be brown! "Toughest Sheriff" - my ass. His "Tent City" has nothing on Camp Mackall's old tents in August 1970.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

The Republican party is screwed,that don't have anyone to rally around to get the big "O" kicked out of office........Prepare for his next 4 years,the only help we can look forward to is JC's coming back again before the end of this term............

Big Teddy

Don't worry Big Teddy.
The USA will still muddle through even if the president is reelected.

Sodom and Gomorrah weren't destroyed for their leaders or even the evil found there.
They were destroyed for the lack of 10 righteous men.

The way I figure it, so long as there's at least one full A-team stateside, we'll be fine.

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

Don't worry Big Teddy.
The USA will still muddle through even if the president is reelected.

Sodom and Gomorrah weren't destroyed for their leaders or even the evil found there.
They were destroyed for the lack of 10 righteous men.

The way I figure it, so long as there's at least one full A-team stateside, we'll be fine.

Good point, fellow "Zonie"! However, four more years of Obama... along with majorities in Congress for the Dems is almost too much for me to contemplate. (And I fear that is where the current crop of "Repugnants" are headed.

[alright4u]

Originally Posted by alelks

I'd personally say their so called expert is full of it and would like to see someone challenge him to duplicate the results with another document. No way in hell it was scanned/OCR'd and separated out the way that document was.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/int...es_exposed.htm

The story on this guy came around sometime ago. I believe it is a husband wife team in CA. They are OK until it get's political. They buy that Obama birth certificate. They do not mention the 40 SSN's for Barrack Obama.

[Last hard class]

250 tea party members from Suprise AZ sign a petition. With J. edgar shopping at Victoria Secrets, Sheriff Joe is compelled to put together a legal eagle dream team and investigate the President.

Without the help of any political advisors, Joe has the presence of mind to designate the task force as a 501c. This way it may not cost the good taxpayers of Maricopa County any money. I am sure the righteous on this thread have sent their tithes already.

I don't know much about forged documents, and I sure can't say whether the king was born here, but I know I would not have used Joe to lead this investigation if I wanted anyone but the "faithful" to take it seriously. While I am always a fan of the counter accusation, rumored to have his name on a few inquiries himself, Joe's motives for a diversion seem clear.

I am just glad this is about the truth and not just more BS politics.


LHC

[Richard]

Originally Posted by sinjefe

You left out that the 1790 congressional act goes on to say "Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been a resident of the United States.

Yep - I left it out because I was only interested in making the point that you've got to follow the entire chain from then to now with all the 'clarifications' (read: changes) which have led to where we were when BHO was born and where we stand today. The 1790 Act was just the beginning of a long succession of those events.

Under the terms of the original Constitution and before the 1790, 1795, and following clarifying Acts, and there have been many more, the first POTUS who actually would've met the criteria to be POTUS was James van Buren (8th POTUS) who was born in the US in 1782 - remember, the US wasn't a nation which could grant such citizenship until the Articles of Confederation were signed on 1 Mar 1781 - and the Constitution wasn't adopted until 1787 and ratified until 1788 - which would make George Washington (1789-1797) our first POTUS who did not meet the criteria for POTUS as stated in the Constitution...if he and so many others had not been 'grandfathered' in as 'citizens' by the newly created body of Congress.

I hear "original intent" being argued a lot in regards to this issue, but when it comes to original intent, we need to remember that Congress had to begin changing the Constitution before it was even adopted with the addition of 10 of 12 proposed Amendments (Bill of Rights) to 'clarify' what was not absolutely stated in the original document. After that, it's been a near continuous (albeit minor) 'tuning' of the original 'intent' IAW the needs of a growing nation and constantly changing world.

One such clarification has been the issue of citizenship. The 'natural born' wording of the original in regards to the Presidency was representative of their fears of a foreign sovereign of some level becoming POTUS and taking the government over. However, as soon as there was a national legislature and a POTUS (Washington, Adams, Jefferson) who allayed those fears, they realized the necessity to better define or explain the intent of certain items in the Constitution which were now found to be either 'fuzzy', unclear, or unnecessary. 'Natural born citizen' vice merely 'citizen' (which denoted full, natural born citizenship no matter where one was born of a US citizen) and 'naturalized citizen' for those who were not born of a citizen.

The US Constitution is an amazing document - but is not without its flaws. Thankfully, it has the capacity to be amended (as necessary within reason and with some difficulty) and is to be lauded for its elasticity which has been used over the few centuries of its existence to clarify issues related to those flaws.

Be that as it may, I, apparently along with Congress who is the authoritative body which defines such matters, tens of millions of eligible voters, and the Electoral College think BHO is a "citizen," not a "naturalized" citizen, and, therefore, the currently elected POTUS...he's just a shi**y POTUS.

And as for Sheriff Joe's latest Circus of Dr Lao affair...I guess we'll have to wait and see whether or not the two-headed Loch Ness Media and Political Monster tries to devour him or he manages to escape its clutches yet again. I'm surprised Sheriff Joe hasn't sent his posse out to chase this one down yet.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...175523779.html

And so it goes...

Richard

[Pete]

Is it Fake or is it not a Fake - that is the question.

It has been proved a fake.

The question remains - WHY?

No President has ever allowed a "fake" such as this to remain out there flapping in the wind - and no press cycle has allowed the same to flap for so long.

20 years from now the details might come out as to the "WHY" and then it will be "Ha, Ha, Ha, they sure pulled one over on us."

You young folks remember this time - some of you were not fooled - you demanded the truth but were laughed at.

[sinjefe]

Originally Posted by Pete

Is it Fake or is it not a Fake - that is the question.

It has been proved a fake.

The question remains - WHY?

N

I am willing to cede that I am no expert on the US Constitution. However, the fact that congress hasn't said anything on the issue is small comfort. The real issue, to me, is what Pete just said. The document posted online at whitehouse.gov, is a fake. That is his website. That is worthy of a congressional investigation into impeachment hearings for high crimes and misdemeanors. Forging a document and foisting it upon the american public, even if only to quell rumors, certainly rises to that level.