General: Army has a discipline problem

[Richard]

Seems like the Navy is not without its own issues when it comes to discipline...the 19 mentioned in the article are 0-5 and above officers.

Richard

Bahrain Logistics CO Is 19th Fired This Year
NavyTimes, 17 Oct 2011

The commanding officer of a Bahrain-based logistics task force was fired for alleged misconduct, 5th Fleet announced Monday.

Capt. David Geisler was relieved by Vice Adm. Mark Fox, 5th Fleet commander, “for a loss of confidence” in Geisler’s ability to command, 5th Fleet said in a press release that added: “an investigation into alleged inappropriate conduct continues.”

The nature of the investigation and the allegations against Geisler remain unclear.

When asked to characterize the alleged misconduct, 5th Fleet spokesman Lt. Frederick Martin replied: “That’s part of the investigation, and it won’t be releasable until the investigation is completed.”

Martin could not immediately say when the investigation began or who was conducting it.

Geisler, a surface warfare officer, had commanded Task Force 53 since January. Geisler also served as head of Military Sealift Command Central, one of MSC’s five operational commands worldwide. In both roles, Geisler oversaw the delivery, by air and sea, of personnel, food, cargo, fuel, ammunition and mail to ships and commands in 5th Fleet, according to a press release from his change of command in January.

Geisler is the 19th commanding officer fired in 2011.

Geisler has been reassigned to duties at Naval Support Activity Bahrain. The No. 2 at CTF 53, Capt. Jesus Cantu, has taken command until a permanent replacement is named.

Geisler, a native of Kokomo, Ind., is a 1988 graduate of the University of Rochester. Geisler commanded frigate John L. Hall, taking it on a counter-drug deployment and also leading it through an “emergency homeport shift” to Mayport, Fla., after Hurricane Katrina in 2005, according to his official bio. Over his career, he has earned two Defense Meritorious Service Medals and three Meritorious Service Medals, in addition to other personal awards.

Geisler could not immediately be reached for comment.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/1...medium=twitter

[ZonieDiver]

As someone who had several years experience in the United States Army when it had serious discipline, drug, and attitude problems, I would gladly volunteer to undertake a 4 year study for 1.6 million dollars. Hell, I'll even round up some of my veteran buddies from my days at Arizona State University to do research.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Jefe

I liked the comment by a previous poster regarding the above. Paratrooper vs. Garatrooper basically.

Confessions of a former garatrooper!.... When I first got to Ft.Bragg I was determined to be the best soldier in the 82nd....I arrived as an E-3(PFC),since I received the promotion after basic training because I was an honor graduate...... After jump school and being in the service about 5 months I was picked for the 505 PIR Honor Guard.... After about 5 or 6 months later I got promoted again to E-4(Corporal)...... They had the EIB testing program in effect and they approved my taking the test,I passed and after about a month later I was promoted to E-5(Staff Sgt.) and then the opportunity to join Special Forces came up and I re-uped for 6 years,and went to the 77th SFG.......... The rest of this story I've written before on another post,but I finally became a field soldier..............

Big Teddy

[pbr549xxx]

Originally Posted by Texas_Shooter

Basic is where the shitbags need to be taken care of. And you can definitely tell which ones are that way. .

When I was a Drill Sergeant, we were told that we weren't the Army's gate keepers.

[1stindoor]

Originally Posted by goon175

But, I can guarantee that the soldiers who cannot pass a PT test, will not be able to keep up in combat either (or atleast the majority of them anyway).

The problem with all encompassing statements is that they are always wrong (at least a majority of them anyway).

Originally Posted by goon175

And if a guy has 10% body fat, he is in no way close to getting booted, as the Army allows males to have up to 24% body fat, and females up to 30%.

I have known people to get booted for being overweight by the Army's standard and have a three year record of having never failed a PT test. One, consistently scored 290 or above, but always "looked fat."

Originally Posted by goon175

Bottom line, if you cannot meet the bare minimum standards for the organization you voluntarily choose to be in, you should be first to get the boot when that organization is downsizing.

Bottom line...those "standards" are only enforced and upheld when it's convienant to the organization.

[Wolf07]

When I was a Drill Sergeant, we were told that we weren't the Army's gate keepers.

I find this extremely depressing.

[goon175]

Bottom line...those "standards" are only enforced and upheld when it's convienant to the organization.

I agree. That is exactly what is happening, they let guys stick around the last 10 years that typically would have been let go, do to the war and needing more boots. Now, due to the budget, it is "conveniant" to the organization to let them go. I have a problem with all of that, I don't think leaders should look the other way just because a war is going on.

I have known people to get booted for being overweight by the Army's standard and have a three year record of having never failed a PT test. One, consistently scored 290 or above, but always "looked fat."

We could come up with examples of the 1% all day long, I am sure most of us here have known that soldier who looked fat but actually was in great shape and could smoke everyone around him. It's the other 99% that are the issue.

[scooter]

I've always taken issue with this mentality. Some people are/were "good enough to fight the war" but not "good enough to be in the Army"? Prehaps the services need to take a closer look at how they perceive themselves...

I'd say we're not far from returning to pressed and polished combat uniform and the emphasis of form over substance.

[1stindoor]

Originally Posted by goon175

We could come up with examples of the 1% all day long, I am sure most of us here have known that soldier who looked fat but actually was in great shape and could smoke everyone around him. It's the other 99% that are the issue.

Fair enough.