06-23-2011, 09:25
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Treat it like alcohol. Age limits and taxes. Quit pissing away billions of dollars a year on enforcement. Didn't work in prohibition and it's not working now.
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06-23-2011, 09:36
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Alcohol, cigarette, and "legal" drug companies will tell all there friends in congress to vote against it. They are the ones that stand to lose the most if cannabis was to be legalized.
This bill sounds like it is not even out of committee where it will die.
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06-23-2011, 10:30
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Originally Posted by allen87
I used to be all for its leglaization. It is far less harmful than alcohol and from what I gather its very similar to tobacco. The thing that changed my mind was a tobacco statistic. Don't quote my numbers but cigarette related illnesses cost the country something in the range of 50 billion annually. Even though there would be gains in tax revenue it would be a huuge drain because of medical costs.
Plus I think most people need to be protected from themselves. Tobacco kills millions of people but others still don't care enough to not do it. There's no sense in providing another opportunity
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If one even has the remotest understanding of the limits placed on government by the constitution and why they were placed, you wouldn't say that. If you are okay with this one, someone else will be okay with something you don't like. The powers that our government have are enumerated specifically to avoid subjective interpretation and personal likes and dislikes.
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06-23-2011, 10:37
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Personally, I have been totally against legalizing it. I do understand Sinjefe's point though. If we legalized it, then tied all social welfare and benefit programs to drug tests (pop hot, no benny's); most companies make drug testing a provision of working for them; etc; that may take care of part of it. OTOH, we might create a new class of citizen.
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06-23-2011, 10:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyobanim
Treat it like alcohol. Age limits and taxes. Quit pissing away billions of dollars a year on enforcement. Didn't work in prohibition and it's not working now.
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I can trust an alcoholic, I can not trust a pot-head.
I can see into the eyes of the drinker and say, "You're not driving", or "you're not climbing this radio tower with my life in your hands". "Go sleep it off, you're working the night shift".
With pot, I can not clearing see your judgement making skills. Is pot enjoyable, can one partake within the confines of their house? I'm not the one to speculate, but I beleive that long term use, does change the mental health of the user.
Take in point, aprox. 100 years ago, rural Wyoming. One could buy pot, coke, opium, whores, booze, any number of "social taboos", can legally purchase or have perscribed such items. The total using population was probably smaller then the total number of users today, but more available then, then now.
I will not use, be it leagal or not, I enjoy my health.
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06-23-2011, 11:06
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It would boost the economy.
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06-23-2011, 11:15
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Legalize it.
Tax the bloody shit out of it.
Develop a breathalyzer test for it.
Moderation in all things.
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06-23-2011, 11:40
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Originally Posted by SPEC4
Legalize it.
Tax the bloody shit out of it.
Develop a breathalyzer test for it.
Moderation in all things.
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There are already tests in place. In NC you have to go to the Drug Recognition Expert School, be certified as a DRE and you can administer the tests. Just a little trivia for you, did you know that after you smoke marijunana your tongue is flourescent under a black light? That is part of the test.
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06-23-2011, 11:56
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Just a little trivia for you, did you know that after you smoke marijunana your tongue is flourescent under a black light? That is part of the test.
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Like, wow, min-I gotta try that. You need, like a mirror, though-right? 
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06-23-2011, 12:05
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Originally Posted by Dusty
It would boost the economy.
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Shovel-ready projects??? 
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06-23-2011, 12:11
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Shovel-ready projects???
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Think about it, though-what a legacy! I mean, if nothing else got done during the whole administrative term but legalizing ganja... 
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06-23-2011, 12:12
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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK
Shovel-ready projects???
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Yup..dig and plant, water liberaly (no pun intended)
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06-23-2011, 12:18
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Originally Posted by Geenie
Why would there still be a "need" for trafficking if the drug is legal and anyone can buy it at 7-11 or grow it themselves?
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For the same reason you can't grow your own tobacco or produce your own liquor.
If it's made legal...it'll be regulated, taxed, and overwatched by the Federal Government...and Uncle Sam hates when you dip into his profits.
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06-23-2011, 12:24
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Originally Posted by Dusty
It would boost the economy.
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I disagree. The "boost" would be short lived as the Beaucracy would grow to new levels to regulate, tax, etc. Eventually, like cigarettes...congress will kill that goose as well.
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06-23-2011, 12:26
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I have a friend in Austin,Texas who is a degreed drug councilor of 30+ years and he told me that marijuana is how most drug addicts start, how does he know,he was one himself..... As a former Navy corpsman in Vietnam serving with the Marines....... They started with marijuana,then more heavier stuff and that's why he's a strong advocate of NOT making it any easier to get people started on drugs.......... 
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