05-11-2011, 15:15
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Ruth
We all could banter words back and forth with you all day but lets cut to the bottom line.
Statistically speaking - you stand a better chance of becoming a suicide bomber than anyone else here.
The question then becomes "Why is that?"
Answer than and you can start answering why Islam is the problem.
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05-11-2011, 16:26
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Originally Posted by ruth nasrullah
If I "pray five times daily" for "goodness," as you say, instead of burning down fast food joints and praising al Qaeda, what is wrong with that?
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Because that's five times a day you are cursing Jews and Christians. That's why.
Because Islam REQUIRES parents to beat their children (age 10 and up) for not praying.
See Reliance of the Traveller, Para f1.1, Page 109.
Because Islam REQUIRES that those who neglect the prayer are EXECUTED.
See Reliance of the Traveller, Pages 101 and 109.
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05-11-2011, 19:01
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Originally Posted by ruth nasrullah
Sir, it seems you acknowledge that there is no single, authoritative version of Islam, but then you decide what the truly authentic version is, and it seems to be one that is obsessed with the life of the prophet.
Please, I encourage you to read surah Al-Rad with a tafseer of the chapter. That is Islam.
In the work I do I see new converts to Islam all the time. They come to Islam because of la ilaha il Allah. That's what's happening in America. I personally don’t see the value in either alienating or attacking us. If I "pray five times daily" for "goodness," as you say, instead of burning down fast food joints and praising al Qaeda, what is wrong with that?
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I have not decided that, Islam is obsessed with the life of Muhammed and the SA funded Islamic outreach that has been going on for years now is a strict form of basic core beliefs spelled out in the Quran and highlighted by Muhammeds life.
There is a whole surah in the Quran called 'Spoils of War'..there is no surah called 'Peace'...
As Omar Abdel Rahman preached WHEN AT AL Azhar University..."Jihad and Killing are the head of Islam. If you take them out, you cut off the head of Islam"...
As you know he was the head of the org that killed Sadat and he TALKED the Egyptian Supreme Court into setting him free by using Quranic verses and the life of Muhammed as his examples. They could not argue his points as he is an Islamic scholar and backed up his murder with scripture.....Muslims recognise this killing, violent thread woven deeply into you religion....I did not make it up.
Again, what is the only guaranteed way to arrive in heaven written in the Quran?
And it appears by your response that the life of Muhammed, and his example, is unimportant in Islam...would you state that if it is the case.
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05-11-2011, 19:27
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All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish {Muslim}, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
-Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason)
And so it goes...
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05-11-2011, 19:33
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As a Christian, I am amused by so many people arguing with Ruth about the problem with Islam being all the different interpretations (while others here try to force-feed their own interpretation as the ONLY interpretation used).
And here I thought Christianity had the market cornered on that....
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05-11-2011, 19:43
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So you're amused......
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Originally Posted by Blue
As a Christian, I am amused by so many people arguing with Ruth about the problem with Islam being all the different interpretations (while others here try to force-feed their own interpretation as the ONLY interpretation used).
And here I thought Christianity had the market cornered on that....
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So you're amused by the posters here? Anything worthwhile you want to add to this thread other than that?
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05-11-2011, 20:08
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Originally Posted by Pete
We all could banter words back and forth with you all day but lets cut to the bottom line.
Statistically speaking - you stand a better chance of becoming a suicide bomber than anyone else here.
The question then becomes "Why is that?"
Answer than and you can start answering why Islam is the problem.
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QP Pete--
With utmost respect, I think it is a mistake to make the issue one of statistics. Not the least because doing so allows the counter argument that GWOT (how ever one may interpret the enemy) is unimportant because one is, statistically speaking, more likely to die in an automobile accident than to be killed by a terrorist. (A classmate of mine used this argument back in 2008 as part of the denouement of a decades' long friendship.)
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05-11-2011, 20:12
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Originally Posted by Richard
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish {Muslim}, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
-Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason)
And so it goes...
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...Islam exists and is at great odds with our society. The question of religion as a whole isn't relevant in this discourse with Ruth.
BTW, as an athiest you are at the bottom of the Islamic foodchain.
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05-11-2011, 20:14
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And here I thought Christianity had the market cornered on that....
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Not too concerned with what Christians, Buddhists, or Atheists do, etc…primarily because they do not have a developed doctrine, theology, and legal system that mandates warfare against unbelievers…
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05-11-2011, 20:16
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QP Pete--
With utmost respect, I think it is a mistake to make the issue one of statistics. Not the least because doing so allows the counter argument that GWOT (how ever one may interpret the enemy) is unimportant because one is, statistically speaking, more likely to die in an automobile accident than to be killed by a terrorist. (A classmate of mine used this argument back in 2008 as part of the denouement of a decades' long friendship.)
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Sigaba:
With all due respect, that comparison fails to consider that a vehicular homicide is generally without malice, but terrorism is not.
The motorist wants to kill no one, and practically, can kill only a few, but a terrorist is limited only by the capability of his weapons. Given sufficiently large weapon(s), the terrorist would eagerly kill the maximum number of people possible. And the radical islamic ideology encourages them to do so, exhorting them to kill ALL non-believers, in this case, billions, by any means available.
Have you seen many Christian terrorists around, indiscriminately killing Muslims, even after 9/11?
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05-11-2011, 20:17
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Not too concerned with what Christians, Buddhists, or Atheists do, etc…primarily because they do not have a developed doctrine, theology, and legal system that mandates warfare against unbelievers…
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You may not be, but - based on historical precedence - others certainly do and would vehemently disagree with your position.
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05-11-2011, 20:20
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Originally Posted by Blue
As a Christian, I am amused by so many people arguing with Ruth about the problem with Islam being all the different interpretations (while others here try to force-feed their own interpretation as the ONLY interpretation used).
And here I thought Christianity had the market cornered on that....
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Assuming Blu that you have read the Quran and Haddith I'd suggest some intercourse with a few Islamic scholars as you are seeing and interpreting thru your own Christian experience...I'd guess you have not read either.
That is not even close.
It is not about 'interpretation' or nuance in Islam. Either you accept what is written in the Quran or a Muslim does not.
Ruth has decided to ignore major tenets of her own Religion so that she can be comfortable within it, as many Muslims do.
Radical Muslims do not have a seperate Quran or testimony from the Companions they use the same documents. Radical Muslims embrace the total entity. Non radical Muslims cherry pick and ignore whole surah.
Ergo the war within Islam. To believe fully what Muhammed wrote and exemplified or to pick and choose only the 'comfortable' elements.
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05-11-2011, 20:32
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To believe fully what Muhammed wrote...
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Muhammed, like Jesus of Nazareth, wrote nothing.
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05-11-2011, 20:34
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To go back to the original point....I think it was bullshit, and the pilot should get fried if those guys were just sitting there minding their own business. Dress and religion are not reasons enough to keep someone off a flight (screening....sure, although legally I guess you can't do one and not the other)
Besides, if some savage is wearing man jammies on a plane, then I'm not worried. He is either not a security risk at all, or he is the dumbest terrorist roaming the earth.
I'm more concerned with the one sitting in a suit trying NOT to look Arab/Muslim.
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05-11-2011, 21:05
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Originally Posted by PRB
It is not about 'interpretation' or nuance in Islam. Either you accept what is written in the Quran or a Muslim does not.
Ruth has decided to ignore major tenets of her own Religion so that she can be comfortable within it, as many Muslims do.
Radical Muslims do not have a seperate Quran or testimony from the Companions they use the same documents. Radical Muslims embrace the total entity. Non radical Muslims cherry pick and ignore whole surah.
Ergo the war within Islam. To believe fully what Muhammed wrote and exemplified or to pick and choose only the 'comfortable' elements.
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Substitute "Christianity" for "Islam" and "Christians" for "Muslims" above, and it is just as much a truth.
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