05-13-2011, 13:15
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/georg...ry?id=13592860
"The long-term solution is to promote a better ideology, which is freedom. Freedom is universal," Bush said. "People who do not look like us want freedom just as much. The relatives of [former Secretary of State]Condoleezza Rice over 100 years ago wanted freedom. It is only when you do not have hope in a society that you join a suicide bomber team."
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Question to you gentlemen: I have a lot of respect for George Bush, but do you believe that highlighted sentence is accurate?
Are the suicide bombers really "without hope"? I thought they were mostly middle class, educated, somewhat intelligent males who chose to honor their beliefs with their sacrifices because their Quran and their Mohammed tells them to do so. I know a bit about world religions and Islam after living abroad, but nowhere near the levels of Warrior-Mentor, PRB, SF-TX, Pete, T-Rock, etc... trying to understand, would it be correct to say their acts do not stem from "hopelessness", but are instead deliberate, well-planned and executed demonstrations of a committed Muslim?
It seems this point is central to understand. If, in fact, these suicide bomber Muslims are full of hope, emboldened by their beliefs, their rituals, and by the teachings of their mosques, then the answer is not to give the Muslim people of the world "hope". The answer is in the first part of Pres Bush's statement to "promote a better ideology, which is freedom" and quit painting these guys as the rejects of society.
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05-13-2011, 13:23
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#482
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Originally Posted by orion5
"It is only when you do not have hope in a society that you join a suicide bomber team."
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It is an application of a Western ideal. In my opinion, it does not transfer across cultures and demonstrates our (American) collective lack of understanding of Islam as a combined culture/society/religion/government.
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05-13-2011, 13:44
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Originally Posted by orion5
Question to you gentlemen: I have a lot of respect for George Bush, but do you believe that highlighted sentence is accurate?
It seems this point is central to understand. If, in fact, these suicide bomber Muslims are full of hope...
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...and change.
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05-13-2011, 13:47
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Originally Posted by orion5
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Are the suicide bombers really "without hope"? I thought they were mostly middle class, educated, somewhat intelligent males who chose to honor their beliefs with their sacrifices because their Quran and their Mohammed tells them to do so.
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Look for the film Paradise Now. IMDB has info on it. It is sub-titled, but a good read 
Storyline copied from IMDB page: "The story places two close friends, Palestinians Said and Khaled, recruited by an extremist group to perpetrate a terrorist attack in Tel-Aviv, blowing up themselves. However, things go wrong and both friends must separate in the border. One of them, maintaining in his purpose of carry the attack to the end, and the other will have his doubts about it. "
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05-13-2011, 14:21
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Porn? How can that be??
How very Infidel-like. Shocking!! Tsk Tsk 
Porn found in Compound
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WASHINGTON — A stash of pornography was found in the hideout of Osama bin Laden by the U.S. commandos who killed him, current and former U.S. officials said on Friday.
The pornography recovered in bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, consists of modern, electronically recorded video and is fairly extensive, according to the officials, who discussed the discovery with Reuters on condition of anonymity.
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05-13-2011, 14:29
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True or not - this could definitely lower OBL's status in the eyes of the fundamentalists/radicals - if they believe/have acces to the report...
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05-13-2011, 15:55
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Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc
True or not - this could definitely lower OBL's status in the eyes of the fundamentalists/radicals - if they believe/have acces to the report...
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Unless it is from Pr0n Valley.
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05-13-2011, 16:41
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Sounds like OBL might have caught a serious case of the 818 cyber-syphilis in his Pakistani porn-a-potty.
I guessing that 818 is no stranger to most of the indigenous - air drop a few million cd's and they'll be westernized before you can say Lisa Ann.
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05-13-2011, 16:47
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How does that go... Oh yeah, this thread is useless with out pictures..
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05-13-2011, 20:36
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How does that go... Oh yeah, this thread is useless with out pictures..
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05-13-2011, 20:39
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Osama bin Laden porn stash
Just a sample of bin Ladens porn stash...there is more, but it is too disturbing to post.
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05-13-2011, 20:48
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baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
Osama bin spankin' - juz sane 
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05-13-2011, 21:05
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How does that go... Oh yeah, this thread is useless with out pictures.. |
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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach
...be careful what you ask for
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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach
...just a sample of bin Ladens porn stash .... there is more, it's just too disturbing to post.
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How else do you think we were able to catch him ????
U.S. intel just followed one of Bin Laden's couriers making a weekly porn delivery to Bin Laden's compound .......
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05-14-2011, 09:07
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"Thanking Obama for the death of Bin Laden is like thanking Ronald McDonald for your burger.
You should thank the person who put it in the bag, not the CLOWN."
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06-12-2011, 15:42
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Yes, he’s from California.
Where are the Somali Pirates when you need them?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...pRsraZgwmjCuqI
California man diving for bin Laden's body
By GINGER ADAMS OTIS
Posted: 1:16 AM, June 12, 2011
An eccentric California salvage diver is fishing for proof that al Qaeda overlord Osama bin Laden is really dead.
Bill Warren, 59, has vowed to scour the north Arabian Sea to find the corpse and deliver photographic evidence that he was killed.
Warren, who has discovered more than 200 wrecks, is confident he can find bin Laden's body. American Special Forces killed the jihadist on May 2 in Pakistan....
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