GI Jane for real?

[Tress]

Originally quoted by Dusty:

What interesting times we live in. Homo cowpokes and warriors. Rambo broads. Posers galore.

Hey, if you don't have a real birth certificate, does that make you a poser?

?Hoo joo callin a pozer?




birth certificate, obama cartoons.jpg

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by frostfire

Another point not readily observable is certain anatomical difference: One gender is more prone to foreign contamination/leakage, the other to plugging. it is what it is. An old marine recon friend told of one training in swampy environment so long and so deep that he literary had growth "down there." Had he been the opposite gender, he believed he would have died from urinary tract infection sequela.

Based on UTI cases that I see here on female soldiers, who already work at a rather clean environment, I wouldn't want to see the aftermath after a few days in the swamp. Of course, any swampy-like portion can always be removed frm Ranger, SEALS, usw training...another double standard can't hurt

frostfire, I don't see an MD in your profile? You go and get a MD and didn't tell anyone?

If not keep the medical opinion to your field of expertise. I've worked in an ER also and have seen women with UTI's but as for what causes them I've no idea.

[98G]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

frostfire, I don't see an MD in your profile? You go and get a MD and didn't tell anyone?

If not keep the medical opinion to your field of expertise. I've worked in an ER also and have seen women with UTI's but as for what causes them I've no idea.

No MD here but as a female with about 10 years experience in austere conditions both damp and dry for extended periods of time (mostly Africa and Latin America) and 49 years of age, I can safely say -- no UTIs -- ever. So maybe that is a dead thread unless an actual MD has empirical evidence on it.

I never held a combat MOS, but as a young soldier I would have jumped at the option if I thought I could be of use. I say this because I knew that an exception for one competent woman might make the military need to deal with 10-fold incompetent ones so perhaps not worth the collective effort to open up combat arms to females.

One thought for the active duty QPs to consider. You are in jobs and situations that are extraordinary. Your challenges may occasionally be better served with a female attached to your team. The better trained they are and the better understand what you need from them, the better (IMHO) your chance of success in the mission.

Again, as a female soldier who qualified on a 50 cal, it seems like an unusual use of resource to take a female CA and put her on a 50 cal and expect her to perform equally to a combat MOS QP, but maybe a good thing to be able to support.

Just a few thoughts after reading this thread. Happy Easter, all -- especially to those deployed. Stay safe.

[Surgicalcric]

Originally Posted by 98G

...it seems like an unusual use of resource to take a female CA and put her on a 50 cal and expect her to perform equally to a combat MOS QP, but maybe a good thing to be able to support...

We shouldn't expect those who are outside the wire with us to perform to the same standards? I cant believe that was said...

If they (women wanting to be attached to SOF, of every flavor) want to be with the guys on combat patrols they should expect to be tested and be capable performing certain tasks just like the men (ie: firing the crew served weapons systems, barrel changes, reloading, timing/head-spacing, firing their individually assigned weapons, buddy carries, etc...) If they cannot perform they are no longer an asset, regardless of what super-duper female only skills they think they possess, but are a liability.

This same standard applies to the male support personnel who think they have what it takes...

One standard!

Crip

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by 98G

No MD here but as a female with about 10 years experience in austere conditions both damp and dry for extended periods of time (mostly Africa and Latin America) and 49 years of age, I can safely say -- no UTIs -- ever. So maybe that is a dead thread unless an actual MD has empirical evidence on it.

I never held a combat MOS, but as a young soldier I would have jumped at the option if I thought I could be of use. I say this because I knew that an exception for one competent woman might make the military need to deal with 10-fold incompetent ones so perhaps not worth the collective effort to open up combat arms to females.

One thought for the active duty QPs to consider. You are in jobs and situations that are extraordinary. Your challenges may occasionally be better served with a female attached to your team. The better trained they are and the better understand what you need from them, the better (IMHO) your chance of success in the mission.

Again, as a female soldier who qualified on a 50 cal, it seems like an unusual use of resource to take a female CA and put her on a 50 cal and expect her to perform equally to a combat MOS QP, but maybe a good thing to be able to support.
Just a few thoughts after reading this thread. Happy Easter, all -- especially to those deployed. Stay safe.

I can teach a 10 year old how to shoot a .50, drop mortars, or how to emplace a claymore. What they would lack and most non-combantants lack is the mindset to kill. And not just kill but to bring the fight to the enemy and make him die for his cause and his country.

Being able to fire a weapon does not make one a warrior. We have discussed this on this board before, and most agree, the training for warriors actually starts at a very young age. It's part of a mindset, that you either have or have not.

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

frostfire, I don't see an MD in your profile? You go and get a MD and didn't tell anyone?

If not keep the medical opinion to your field of expertise. I've worked in an ER also and have seen women with UTI's but as for what causes them I've no idea.

TS, with all due respect, MD or not, it is within my field of expertise. Pathophysiology is part of my education, training, and daily practice. Additionally, I have to educate soldiers on preventative measures. Thus, knowing causal factors is necessary for a competent educator.

Having said that, and in response to Angelsix, yes, I must admit I made a case of correlation equals causation. My mistake.

Nevertheless, UTI is more prevalent in women than men. That is an empirical fact.
"Causes of a Urine Infections/Urinary Tract Infections
This bacterium normally resides in the bowel but will cause the symptoms of urinary tract infections if it manages to reach the bladder via the urethra (tube that transports urine from the bladder outside of the body). The reason it is so much more common in women over men, is that the urethra is much shorter in women and the opening is closer to the anus than it is in men."
http://www.d-mannose.me.uk/urinary-tract-infection.htm
http://www.urologycentersalabama.com...tInfection.php
http://www.videomd.com/WhyDoWomenGet...n-fv-2530.aspx

And how it relates to combat (as opposed to swampy) environment:

"OIF/OEF deployed female Soldiers have nearly twice as many GU health problems as those at home duty stations"
http://www.4militarywomen.org/WIM09P...ons/Steele.pdf

"Urinary tract infection was another frequent diagnosis, especially in the field."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3103020

[Utah Bob]

[QUOTE=greenberetTFS;386895]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Even as the SECNAVY acknowledges (you go gurl) the problem may be meeting the physical standard of being a SEAL.


I don't know about that,especially after seeing Demi doing those "one handed push- ups",can't tell me that broad wasn't in damn good shape.........

Big Teddy

Stunt triceps.

[kgoerz]

"I swear, that cruise liner was not parked when I backed the carrier into it"

[Richard]

IMO, mission and proven capabilities should dictate who goes and who stays.

Richard