Dozens hurt, woman killed in Jerusalem bombing

[Dalik]

First bombing in last four years.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...046677,00.html

I've been at this bus stop at least a thousand times. It is definitely an interesting feeling to hear about it and me being here.

[greenberetTFS]

I'm sure there will be a retaliation much harder than what they had received.......
Isreal doesn't put up with this,and we'll see what it will be...........

Big Teddy

[brown77]

I really hope the bombing was not connected to this:

http://www.facebook.com/Palestinian.Intifada

Shame on FB for allowing the Page to reach such proportions!

(You can translate the wall comments using Google Chrome)

[BrokenSwitch]

The hubbub over that Facebook page resulted in its removal... and subsequent replacement with numerous duplicate pages. Unfortunately, despite the original page's disappearance, the promised widespread Muslim boycott of Facebook never materialized. With that said, if they failed to follow up on one action endorsed by the group, can they be expected to follow up on any other action? Or did the ones who stayed behind merely become takfiri apostates?

Debating whether Facebook should be the means by which such activity is coordinated is futile, as there are already numerous "I hate <whatever>" pages floating around on Facebook, as well as Arabic-language jihadi websites and "Inspire" magazine. The real question is how to get rid of the hatred at its source, or at least isolate it permanently. There are numerous threads and published opinions on this website and elsewhere addressing this matter.

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In related news, the kid on the school bus that Hamas hit with a rocket is not doing so well...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/143509

... and Hamas is trying to start an international incident:

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110...rael-and-hamas

[brown77]

Originally Posted by BrokenSwitch

With that said, if they failed to follow up on one action endorsed by the group, can they be expected to follow up on any other action? Or did the ones who stayed behind merely become takfiri apostates?

Would you want to leave that kind of speculation to chance?

Debating whether Facebook should be the means by which such activity is coordinated is futile, as there are already numerous "I hate <whatever>" pages floating around on Facebook, as well as Arabic-language jihadi websites and "Inspire" magazine. The real question is how to get rid of the hatred at its source, or at least isolate it permanently. There are numerous threads and published opinions on this website and elsewhere addressing this matter.

I hear what you are saying, but there is a difference between the numerous "I hate <whatever> groups and a group that blatantly calls for a spate of terrorist attacks, beginning on xx date!!

The myriad of reports and complaints to Facebook concerning the group (eventually leading to its closure) was, in a way, a step in the direction of getting rid of said hatred. Enough people stood up and simply said "NO!".

[Chris Cram]

Thursday of last week the rocket struck the bus...
Update (04/13/2011)

The condition of Daniel Viflic, 16, who was wounded when Gaza terrorists fired an anti-tank missile at a school bus he was in, has taken a turn for the worse. He has been in critical condition since the attack Thursday

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/143509 {BrokenSwitch noted this one above}

A video of the laser-guided Kornet anti-tank rocket belies Hamas claims it did not know a school bus was targeted in last week’s attack that critically wounded Daniel Viflic, still hanging on to life.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/143548

The Kornet is manufactured in Russia and reached Hamas terrorists in Gaza via Iran or Syria. Damascus was clearly marked as the destination of the advanced rockets that Hizbullah employed in the Second Lebanon War.

The weapon gave Hizbullah a strategic and psychological advantage. Israeli intelligence, severely hampered since Defense Minister Ehud Barak ordered a hasty withdrawal from the “security region” in southern Lebanon in 2000, was surprised at the presence of the rocket in Lebanon.

Its advanced guidance system enables the operator to clearly identify and it a target. Its intended purpose is to attack tanks, but Hamas now has employed it against school buses.

and then a "Photo Essay: Aftermath of Jerusalem Bombing "
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/143109

[BrokenSwitch]

Originally Posted by brown77

Would you want to leave that kind of speculation to chance?

No, but it would be a pleasant surprise. I keep a shred of optimism in my ruck, just in case.

Originally Posted by brown77

I hear what you are saying, but there is a difference between the numerous "I hate <whatever> groups and a group that blatantly calls for a spate of terrorist attacks, beginning on xx date!!

May 15 is merely the solar calendar's anniversary of their so-called 'Nakhba' ("Catastrophe" in Arabic). Yom Haatzmaut (Independence Day, in Hebrew) is celebrated on May 14 if you are secular though Israel officially follows the lunar calendar for everything. Islam does not include leap years on their lunar calendar, so they track the secular date. The Nakhba is supposed to memorialize the loss of Palestinian [territory? autonomy?] to the non-Muslim citizens of the infant State of Israel.

Calendar explanation here: http://www.aish.com/j/fs/80402192.html

As a concerned college student, I've been tracking the Boycott/Divestment/Sanctions movements and their "mock apartheid walls" and "checkpoints", plus or minus the odd bit of campus violence (Jumana Albahri, Jessica Felber, John Moghtader, etc.) and general obnoxiousness on Facebook and from other sources. They all like to use that date.

Yes, the threat is clear and the language is unmistakable. However, the credibility of the threat appears lacking in terms of willingness to leave the computer and go run around and throw stones outdoors... at least, from the view on top of my ivory tower. I'm certain ShaBak is working overtime, though. Finally, with the security barrier in place, Palestinians no longer have unimpeded access to important highways and major cities the way they used to. If they intend to meet their deadline, they better start thinking.... a process that is generally forbidden under autocratic rule.

Originally Posted by brown77

The myriad of reports and complaints to Facebook concerning the group (eventually leading to its closure) was, in a way, a step in the direction of getting rid of said hatred. Enough people stood up and simply said "NO!".

I suppose that's true, though the lack of follow-up when duplicate pages popped up was... expected, if not happily so. Certain places on the Internet, most of which are cataloged at http://www.knowyourmeme.com make me feel extremely pessimistic about humanity.

[brown77]

Originally Posted by BrokenSwitch

May 15 is merely the solar calendar's anniversary of their so-called 'Nakhba' ("Catastrophe" in Arabic). Yom Haatzmaut (Independence Day, in Hebrew) is celebrated on May 14 if you are secular though Israel officially follows the lunar calendar for everything. Islam does not include leap years on their lunar calendar, so they track the secular date. The Nakhba is supposed to memorialize the loss of Palestinian [territory? autonomy?] to the non-Muslim citizens of the infant State of Israel.

Well spotted, although Yom Haatzmaut falls on May 10th this year

Yes, the threat is clear and the language is unmistakable. However, the credibility of the threat appears lacking... at least, from the view on top of my ivory tower. I'm certain ShaBak is working overtime, though.

The threat is clear, yet it lacks credibility, yet Shabak is working overtime... What is it you are trying to say

I suppose that's true, though the lack of follow-up when duplicate pages popped up was... expected, if not happily so.

Feel free to flex your activist muscles and report the follow-up group here. They currently have 16 'likes' as opposed to the original group that had over 300,000! Credible threat or not, the group's removal is symbolic.

[BrokenSwitch]

That was the wordy way of saying "I'll believe it when I see it," though I have no illusions that these people are secretly peace-loving hippies. I see too many obstacles, including the wall and Shabak, keeping them from making their "Third Intifada" comparable to 2000-2005.

You make a good point about the symbolic value of their removal, despite the new pages that cropped up; I had not considered that.

[Chris Cram]

Originally Posted by BrokenSwitch

In related news, the kid on the school bus that Hamas hit with a rocket is not doing so well...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/143509

... and Hamas is trying to start an international incident:

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110...rael-and-hamas

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/143618

Teen Victim Of Bus Attack Dies

Sixteen-year-old Daniel Viflic died Sunday in Soroka Medical Center in Be'er Sheva, a week and a half after being critically wounded in a Hamas missile attack on a school bus.

...Daniel sustained head wounds, shrapnel injuries and major blood loss in the attack. He was airlifted to Soroka, where doctors fought to save his life.

...His mother Tamar told the Hebrew-language daily Ma'ariv, “I talk to him. I tell him, 'My child, be strong. Be strong, Daniel. Soon you will come home, in a few days. Everything will be fine.'”

RIP...