It's about time!!!!

[plato]

Originally Posted by tonyz

Right, 'cause there's no paperwork now...maybe we should unionize 'em or (gasp) heaven forbid come up with a lower cost solution -I'm sure there's no waste there now. We've already seen that we can probably drop that $20,000 per test figure quite a bit. But, you've got to want to do it.



True that - it's probably past time to operate differently. We can do better - I'm just not so sure that big government and their ilk will.

I think "the plan" for today's Odamacare includes free screenings. Records gonna be kept, doctors, nurses, clerks employed. Toss the drug analysis on top of what's coming.

And let those who test positive pay by deduction from whatever additional chances they are given until their benefits are terminated. Low cost, I suspect.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by plato

And let those who test positive pay by deduction from whatever additional chances they are given until their benefits are terminated. Low cost, I suspect.

Absolutely - this is just one method to address payment for drug testing - and it should not add to costs.

As I have suggested previously - we have to - as a society - want to change how we approach problems - and then we can improve things - with testing we get people moving on the right path AND reduce the costs to society of getting there. Lords knows we've thrown billions at the problem already with poor results. But we have got to change how we think. It is easy to take something complex and make it more complex - but it is truly difficult to take something complex and make it simple.

Here's another thought - could we tie a positive test to a brief health care meeting/discussion with a medical professional treating addiction as well as other health care issues- preventative medicine is often less expensive in the long term. I meant it when I suggested that I might expect some positive results from testing.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by tonyz

Absolutely - this is just one method to address payment for drug testing - and it should not add to costs.

As I have suggested previously - we have to - as a society - want to change how we approach problems - and then we can improve things - with testing we get people moving on the right path AND reduce the costs to society of getting there. Lords knows we've thrown billions at the problem already with poor results. But we have got to change how we think. It is easy to take something complex and make it more complex - but it is truly difficult to take something complex and make it simple.

Here's another thought - could we tie a positive test to a brief health care meeting/discussion with a medical professional treating addiction as well as other health care issues- preventative medicine is often less expensive in the long term. I meant it when I suggested that I expect some positive results from testing.

Some of the welfare recipients that are so against testing could actually be led kicking and screaming to a better life.

There's nothing new about the proposal to test welfare recipients for drug use. It is simply the digital version of four of America's longest running traditions.

Until at least two of these traditions are addressed in a meaningful way, sustainable forward progress is unlikely.

[tonyz]

Hopefully, the coming Congress will consider restructuring public policy in a variety of areas - it is obvious that the old ways have not worked. YMMV.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Until at least two of these traditions are addressed in a meaningful way, sustainable forward progress is unlikely.

And which two of these '...isms' do you think are most in need of addresing now?

Richard

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Richard

And which two of these '...isms' do you think are most in need of addressing now?

Richard

QP Richard--

The toughest two--sexism and classism.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

The toughest two--sexism and classism.

Well, in Vermont, the law says women must obtain written permission from their husbands to wear false teeth.

And so it goes...

Richard

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Richard

Well, in Vermont, the law says women must obtain written permission from their husbands to wear false teeth.

And so it goes...

Richard

I can tell that it's an issue that gnaws on you as well.

[Richard]

I can tell that it's an issue that gnaws on you as well.

One of the many reasons I live in Texas.

Richard

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Richard

One of the many reasons I live in Texas.

Richard

Yeah, but Jessica Simpson managed to gum up the works out your way a few years back.

[Richard]

Yeah, but Jessica Simpson managed to gum up the works out your way a few years back.

For a non-grad from high school, the girl has done quite well for herself. Is this a great country or what.

Richard