01-18-2011, 18:33
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Yep.
More babies = more money.
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At a minimum, they should be able to identify the father.
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01-18-2011, 18:45
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At a minimum, they should be able to identify the father.
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You ever watch Maury? It's like a train wreck. You can't turn away. Even after some huge fat chick none of us would do back in the "hoggin" days, drags 8 dudes onto that show for DNA tests... NONE of them the baby's daddy.
Not only is it sick to think of ONE dude sticking those hogs, but more than 8 in a MONTH! Jeebus...
How about substance testing for POLITICIANS AND LAWYERS? 
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01-18-2011, 18:55
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At a minimum, they should be able to identify the father.
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You'd like to think the baby mommas could...but it's probably quite a task.
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01-19-2011, 00:48
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How about substance testing for POLITICIANS AND LAWYERS? |
Curses! You beat me to it!
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01-19-2011, 05:58
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The presumption of guilt until proven innocent...what a novel idea...certainly our Founding Fathers must not have been aware of such a concept when authoring the Bill of Rights...or were they.
IMO, such myopic thinking, as well meaning as it may appear to some, does not bode well for a Democratic Republican ideal such as America presents itself as being to the world.
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01-19-2011, 08:25
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The presumption of guilt until proven innocent...what a novel idea...certainly our Founding Fathers must not have been aware of such a concept when authoring the Bill of Rights...or were they.
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I'll have to disagree with you, Richard. I do not think this is implied/presumed guilt any more so than a drug screen prior to employment. Perhaps a discussion on the appropriateness of drug screening programs for anyone other than convicted drug offenders is in order.
I was quite shocked to find out the current hospital at which I work did not perform drug screening prior to employment. Of course, it is in the city that holds the annual "Hash Bash"... 
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01-19-2011, 08:54
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Some interesting points:
Substance Use Among Persons in Families Receiving Government Assistance
http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/2k2/GovAid/GovAid.htm
Should Welfare Recipients Get Drug Testing?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=125387528
Drug Testing of Public Assistance Recipients as a Condition of Eligibility
http://www.aclu.org/drug-law-reform/...on-eligibility
And so it goes...
Richard 
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01-19-2011, 13:30
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I'll have to disagree with you, Richard. I do not think this is implied/presumed guilt any more so than a drug screen prior to employment. Perhaps a discussion on the appropriateness of drug screening programs for anyone other than convicted drug offenders is in order.
I was quite shocked to find out the current hospital at which I work did not perform drug screening prior to employment. Of course, it is in the city that holds the annual "Hash Bash"... |
Now I'm disagreeing with you, Doc. Taking and passing the employment drug test is a blatant presumption of guilt because the applicant is called to prove he is not guilty.
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01-19-2011, 15:28
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I do not think this is implied/presumed guilt any more so than a drug screen prior to employment.
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In order to be hired for PSP now, not only is there the drug testing, but a polygraph, and extensive background check.
That is for a job you want.
I see no problem with requiring people that receive OUR tax dollars for support, at least be clean when it comes to drugs, and not be using that money for illegal drug buying purposes. Also, I don't think it should be cash, or a similar form of untracable item like food stamps. It should be a "credit" type card with a photo of the recipient, to insure they are used for proper purchases. Cigarettes and booze are not proper purchases.
Our whole "welfare system" needs revamped badly. VERY badly.
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Finally, I believe that punishing lawful gun owners by creating new, more onerous laws, and restricting Constitutionally guaranteed rights, when we already don't enforce the tens of thousands of gun laws we have on the books, is like beating your dog because the neighbor's dog shit in your yard.
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01-19-2011, 15:31
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Now I'm disagreeing with you, Doc. Taking and passing the employment drug test is a blatant presumption of guilt because the applicant is called to prove he is not guilty.
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Perhaps they are testing basic coordination (con you pee in this cup without making a mess?), and the drug test is just an added bonus.
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01-19-2011, 15:53
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I see no problem with requiring people that receive OUR tax dollars for support. . .
Our whole "welfare system" needs revamped badly. VERY badly.
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In the olden days that system was called "the Poor Farm". (see the second paragraph. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poorhouse )
Or read the poem here. http://www.poorhousestory.com/over_the_hill.htm Is that really what we want?
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Perhaps they are testing basic coordination (con you pee in this cup without making a mess?), and the drug test is just an added bonus.
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A two-fer? That's different. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0
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01-19-2011, 19:12
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Might change some peoples minds about riding the gravy train  ....
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01-19-2011, 21:20
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No, not at all. What we SHOULD be doing are programs like the CCC, and put these welfare people to work picking up garbage, and repairing our deteriorating State and National park system. Give them a orange vest and let them pick up garbage along the highway. At least then, they would be providing a service, instead of breeding another generation of welfare feeders.
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Finally, I believe that punishing lawful gun owners by creating new, more onerous laws, and restricting Constitutionally guaranteed rights, when we already don't enforce the tens of thousands of gun laws we have on the books, is like beating your dog because the neighbor's dog shit in your yard.
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01-19-2011, 22:31
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No, not at all. What we SHOULD be doing are programs like the CCC, and put these welfare people to work picking up garbage, and repairing our deteriorating State and National park system. Give them a orange vest and let them pick up garbage along the highway. At least then, they would be providing a service, instead of breeding another generation of welfare feeders.
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One of the things that made the CCC and WPA successful was the work was meaningful and honorable. They were jobs people were proud of (to this day). Traditionally, roadside work crews wore stripes.
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01-19-2011, 22:45
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Working hard for a wage and providing for your family no matter what the job may be IS honorable. 
I would shovel shit forever before I would collect a welfare check.
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