Fat Soldiers - Page 2

x SF med · 12-09-2010, 10:29

Even though I've been out for a good while, my weight hasn't 'balloned' - I got out at 175#, I'm currently ~190, and the highest I ever got was 215.

I haven't had a BMI done in a while, but I've seen photos of young soldiers who should be kicked in the head because they make the uniform look like crap.

I remember being involved in some stuff at Natick, and they did hydrostatic testing for BMI, the doctors thought there was something wrong since all the participants (SF) were in the 8-12% range at the beginning. There wasn't a lot of change in total after - but there were 2 groups, one went up slightly, one went down...

Dusty · 12-09-2010, 11:11

Training for the Rocky Raccoon run keeps my lard volume below "obese", at least.

(My Daisy's got a wii.)

chemical cookie · 12-09-2010, 12:01

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Originally Posted by Surgicalcric

Diet and exercise....

Crip

What are these diet and exercise you speak of?

darbs · 12-09-2010, 13:11

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Originally Posted by chemical cookie

What are these diet and exercise you speak of?

Go here... http://professionalsoldiers.com/foru...splay.php?f=87

Anything in this thread will kick your butt...

12-09-2010, 13:29

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Originally Posted by Dusty

Answer your cellphone, Bro; the UFC is trying to get up with you...

Seriously, as 1stindoor inferred, the fatboy program's been around since soldiers stopped having to forage.

We had a medic in the 80's who was an habitual violator and had to cut 40-50 pounds off with furosemide EVERY weigh-in. Very bad for you.

He told me his whole family had the same problem, e.g. if they peeked in the icebox for a snack and saw a pie, they'd eat the whole pie.

Outstanding medic, but I think he finally got fatboy'd out.

Had a fat boy medic also, but he always scored high on the APFT, 280 or better. He could swim endlessly, bench press a cow, and ruck you into the ground. Thinking about it, his legs were out of proportion to the rest of him. For someone with giant hands he could perform the finest tasks of dexterity.

Hated to see him go,....

to Medical School!

J8127 · 12-09-2010, 14:06

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Originally Posted by uplink5

And service...

Though we have our share, Air Force and Navy are going to be our biggest violaters as a percentage of the entire force. If you've ever been to a joint command I'm sure you've seen the evidence....jd

Service is irrelevant in today's joint fight. There are those who pull triggers and hump up mountains and those who do not.

MackallResident · 12-09-2010, 15:07

I agree with the above post. Of course I can do a quick two mile, and pushups/situps, but that doesn't tell me shit about how physically fit I am, or any Soldiers around me.

Now if we do a ton of core-focused exercises and then go for a run, and throughout the rest of the week, continue to endure both cardiovascular bouts, and humping heavy stuff around for the rest of said week, the ones standing at the end still going strong, or at least still going, are the ones that are more than likely in great over all shape. Just my opinion though.

Now, as far as FAT Soldiers are concerned, that aggravates me. It hits on a personal note with me because I had to lose a little over 100lbs in order to join the Army. I was huge before, and I learned that all you need to do push back from the table, do extra PT, DO PT, DO MORE PT, and don't complain about some genetic mumbo jumbo. There are a lot of lard asses in my family, and they all overeat, so I could possibly call it genetic, or I could just say that they make bad health choices by being obese and eating unhealthy foods.

You don't put 87 octane in a Ferrari, nor do you take it to get groceries. SO why the hell would anyone only put shit-food in their bodies, and never go outside, or at least to a gym and work out? And if you are a Soldier, then that is even more reason to be in great shape. I don't give a damn how you look, but by God, if you are a medic on the ground, trying to load my(future) aircraft with patients, and you are fat and out of shape, you put everything at risk.

I feel that a lot of folks do not look at it like that. The ones that sandbag during PT, or fall out of ruck march because there are no perceived repercussions. THERE ARE ALWAYS REPERCUSSIONS, we just have to instill the fight in our Soldiers so that on the battlefield, they are giving 200% at all times, not for themselves, but to the men and women on their left and right! It is about them, not me!

As far as the NCO's go, I feel that most give a good try to keep their squads in shape, but now that I am new to the Officer community, no one does it for you. I have seen so many fat young warrant officers running around here it is ridiculous. I am not saying that I don't often enjoy an unhealthy amount of beer, but I ensure that I absolutely destroy myself at PT every freaking day so that I am always ready to go.

Man, I could go on forever, but I know that I am probably preaching to the choir here, so I guess I will /rant.

GrumpyMedic · 12-09-2010, 15:34

Has/does anyone else suffer from decreased metabolism after having been to hooah high? I went to Ranger School at a lean 170 lbs and graduated at 148 lbs back in '01.
To this day I still carry an extra 10-15 lbs around my middle and struggle to make weight. I've tried all kinds of diets (paleo, ect.). The only time I don't have a problem is when I increase cardio to an insane amount, running 50+ miles a week.

Masochist · 12-09-2010, 16:26

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

IMO I'd think the Army PT test is poor indicator of how well one can perform physically as a soldier. Being able to do lots of pushups, situps, and a fast two-mile run means you are skilled in one area of physical fitness (endurance, cardiovascular and muscular).

You could be able to do loads of pushups, pullups, situps, flutter kicks, a fast run, and so forth, that doesn't mean you'll at all be capable of say having to lift very heavy objects and carry them or hump a heavy ruck.

Then you get the guys who are BIG, where if they tried to do things like pullups or pushups even, and situps, etc...they'd flounder completely, but they can do things like lift extremely heavy objects all day long and hump a heavy ruck pretty well.

To be truly fit, one should strive for a decent capability in both.

Systems such as the Ranger Athlete Warrior program are starting to address things like this. 3rd Bat brought in a well-known powerlifter to help address the large numbers of Rangers physically breaking down from training and combat.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n56406753/

How long until we see this Army-wide, with a drastic change in how we gauge soldiers' fitness levels is to be seen. PT is already changing from PU/SU/run, run, run to more combat-related exercises. It's a matter of finding tests that are cost effective and easy to implement (much the same argument with the tape test).

Masochist · 12-09-2010, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Chip.B

Eat five small meals a day. No more than 35 grams of carbs per meal. You will lose 2lbs a week this way. I lost 54lbs last year doing this.

A very effective way to regulate weight as well as energy levels (especially if you have blood sugar issues). Simply spacing out your total caloric intake throughout the day keeps your blood sugar levels stationary (preventing that afternoon or late day crash) and keeps your body satiated. It doesn't go into survival mode that causes it to hang onto food like it's never going to see it again (slowing your metabolism drastically).

12-09-2010, 17:31

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Originally Posted by GrumpyMedic

...The only time I don't have a problem is when I increase cardio to an insane amount, running 50+ miles a week.

There's the answer....

Masochist · 12-09-2010, 17:51

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

Another thing to also watch is the kinds of carbs you take in.

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I find it very interesting how he focused on the lower-back and hamstrings, as those are some of the prime areas people (in general) ignore. Keeping the whole backside strong (back, lower back, and hamstrings) can go a long way towards preventing injuries.

This caught me by surprise as well, in a good way. And a reason I found validity in it and looked into it further. So many people focus on the (front) shoulders, chest, abs and quads, causing muscle imbalance and high potential for injury. Paraphrasing what someone on here once said, if you're inclined to do biceps at the gym, do legs twice. You're not going to be asked to curl your rucksack.

Dusty · 12-09-2010, 18:00

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Originally Posted by Chip.B

Eat five small meals a day. No more than 35 grams of carbs per meal. You will lose 2lbs a week this way. I lost 54lbs last year doing this.

That's outstanding advice.

Optimize you protein intake as well; I think some people get way too much...

Surgicalcric · 12-09-2010, 21:33

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Originally Posted by Chip.B

Eat five small meals a day. No more than 35 grams of carbs per meal. You will lose 2lbs a week this way. I lost 54lbs last year doing this.

5 meals a day...not for this guy.

I will stick with my one meal a day thank you... (Warrior Diet)

Crip

500 Proof · 12-09-2010, 22:34

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Originally Posted by GrumpyMedic

Has/does anyone else suffer from decreased metabolism after having been to hooah high? I went to Ranger School at a lean 170 lbs and graduated at 148 lbs back in '01.
To this day I still carry an extra 10-15 lbs around my middle and struggle to make weight. I've tried all kinds of diets (paleo, ect.). The only time I don't have a problem is when I increase cardio to an insane amount, running 50+ miles a week.

You ever heard of hill sprints? I remember reading somewhere that sprinting up a large steep hill four or five times in a row can speed up your metabolism for the rest of the day.