The 99 - Page 2

ZonieDiver · 10-12-2010, 14:27

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Originally Posted by PSM

Are they on broadcast TV? I haven't watched (seen) cartoons since I directed the Uncle Bob Show in Tucson roughly 37 years ago.

Well, OK, I did watch The Tick with my son when he was 7 or 8.

Pat

They are on here in Phoenix fairly often - Sunday mornings sometimes... even on Channel 12 (NBC)! Of course, this is ARIZONA, know haven for kooks and misfits.

(And there is always room for one or two more...

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Richard · 10-12-2010, 20:00

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Still waiting for you to post a list of kids shows staring kids like Johnny Jew or Peggy Presbyterian - maybe Nancy the Nun.

Shows on the same channel planning to show the program in question?

I guess I'm out of touch with e-America.

I do not have cable or satellite because I refuse to pay for programming which has already been paid for and only have access to the programs through my antenna which are broadcast openly and free of charge. I have an antenna and have access to about 60 channels - around 25% of which are Hispanic and around 25% of which are Chrisitan. Of the Christian channels, several are 24/7 Christian cartoon programming. I choose not to watch them.

There are no Muslim programs around here on the mainstream channels.

I do not get Discovery channel because it is a private channel which is broadcast only to those who pay for it.

And so it goes...

Richard

**Pete** · 10-13-2010, 04:04

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Originally Posted by Richard

.......... Of the Christian channels, several are 24/7 Christian cartoon programming. I choose not to watch them.

There are no Muslim programs around here on the mainstream channels.

I do not get Discovery channel because it is a private channel which is broadcast only to those who pay for it............

More smoke.

Richard - you keep reverting to "Christian channels". You continue to mix apples and bananas.

A mainstream cable channel is fixin' to air a Muslim based TV show for all the kiddies to watch.

I've asked you a couple of times to name a similar show highlighting Christian or Jewish themes.

So far you've gone the 1960's route - some are still in reruns on obscure channels - and since we're a Christian nation all the shows reflect our values - stuff is shown on Christian channels. But no similar show has been named yet.

Has your google-fu been weak the past week? Or could it be that there are no similar shows with a Christian or Jewish slant similar to the 99?

If that's the case then "Why the 99?" This show will be targeting kids. Libbers are all upset about "Happy Meal" commercials indoctrinating our kids and they want to plop them down for the 99?

Don · 10-13-2010, 05:37

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Originally Posted by Richard

I have an antenna and have access to about 60 channels - around 25% of which are Hispanic and around 25% of which are Chrisitan. Of the Christian channels, several are 24/7 Christian cartoon programming. Richard

25% of 60 is 15 (I learned my wicked math skills cutting dipoles and longwires)...so, you are saying there are 15 christian channels out there for public access that blast christian propoganda 24/7? Is that really true or an exageration to make a point? Or is it more like 25% of the stations broadcast a christian themed show at some point during the programming day? Or is it 25% of the channels have Christian ownership (kinda like chic-fil-a)? I think that distinction is important.

Pete's making a valid point with his last post...

Richard · 10-13-2010, 06:50

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...and around 25% of which are Chrisitan.

I was guesstimating but after checking the channels on my TV, the 24/7 Christian broadcast channels on the public airways (non-cable/satellite and about 50/50 English or Spanish) around where I live are:

2.1
18.1
18.2
18.3
18.4
31.1
31.2
34.1
34.2
34.3
38.1
38.2
39.3
44.1
44.2
47.1
50.3
51.1
51.2
51.3
51.4
58.1
58.2
58.3
58.4
58.5

Around a half-dozen of them are 24/7 Christian-themed cartoon channels.

MSM channels are:

4.1 Fox
5.1 NBC
5.2 NBC
8.1 ABC
11.1 CBS
11.2 CBS
13.1 PBS
13.2 PBS
19.1 CBS
33.1 WB
8.2 ABC

There are many other open-air broadcast channels which are infomercial, local programming, communiity service programming, shopping, Hispanic networks, music networks, movie networks, etc.

Many of the local and even MSM (e.g., CBS, WB, FOX) stations also have Christian broadcasting on Sunday - including some with Christian-themed cartoons for kids.

My points are that (1) they are there and (2) that I personally support the notion that it remain the parent's prerogative in this country to monitor and guide their children's viewing and learning.
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BT

Richard

Sigaba · 10-13-2010, 08:15

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Originally Posted by Pete

What I find interesting is it is scheduled to be on the Hub - sometime in the future.

This show will have a religious base.

Which programs on Discovery Kids/The Hub have a Christian or Jewish group of kids out battling for their religion?

Chirp, Chirp, Chirp

FWIW, It has been a while since my days working for a software R&D lab in the digital cable industry and I am constrained by a dozen or so NDAs. I can say that since the 1990s, questions about who is showing what and when are they showing it are increasingly irrelevant.

In the age of "on demand," what matters most is the question "Who is watching?". This is to say it is all about the ratings.

Don · 10-13-2010, 09:00

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Originally Posted by Richard

I was guesstimating but after checking the channels on my TV, the 24/7 Christian broadcast channels on the public airways (non-cable/satellite and about 50/50 English or Spanish) around where I live are... [Truncated]

Let me IMI my last. Are these channels 100% dedicated to providing Christian broadcasting 24/7...or do these channels just broadcast a couple of shows over the course of the day? If all of them are 100% dedicated to pumping Christian propoganda out there...you must have a deeply religious population that loves to hear the Word of the Lord. A station would not survive very long broadcasting shows nobody has any inclination to watch.

It's a free market. If you can make money broadcasting the 700 club...good for you. As long as the shows dont advocate overthrowing the government or killing non-believers, I'm pretty much down with it. If it doesn't pick my pocket nor break my leg what does it matter?

**Pete** · 10-13-2010, 09:00

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Originally Posted by Richard

.....My points are that (1) they are there and (2) that I personally support the notion that it remain the parent's prerogative in this country to monitor and guide their children's viewing and learning.....

And just what was the name of the show similar to the 99 on a non-christian, non-public access MSM/Cable Channel?

Rin & Stimpy like shows? Naked Mole Rat shows? Ed, Ed & Eddy shows? Dora the Explorer shows? Maybe the Simpsons?

What show has Good Christian or Jewish kids out fighting evil?

**Pete** · 10-13-2010, 09:03

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Originally Posted by Sigaba

......In the age of "on demand," what matters most is the question "Who is watching?". This is to say it is all about the ratings.

Not so. Cable providers not offering al-a-carte services is prof of that. If viewers were allowed to pick each of the channels they paid for you would see a lot of channels go belly up.

Sigaba · 10-13-2010, 09:30

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Originally Posted by Pete

Not so. Cable providers not offering al-a-carte services is prof of that. If viewers were allowed to pick each of the channels they paid for you would see a lot of channels go belly up.

QP Pete--

IIRC, the debate over a la carte services is a bit more complex than cable providers vs subscribers <<LINK>>.

In my experience, MSO's (multi system operators or divisions of larger cable companies) regularly ask software developers for features that give viewers a de facto a la carte option via parental control and customizable channel line ups. This is to say that one can easily program one's cable set-top box so that one never has to view certain channels or types of programs.

Meanwhile, ongoing advances in metadata harvesting and DVR hardware give viewers the ability to encounter more and more shows that suit their tastes while preserving the "lean back" experience the digital cable industry hangs its hat on.

TrapLine · 10-13-2010, 10:35

My understanding is that al la carte cable is more complex than it may seem on the surface, though I have yet to fully understand why. What bothers me is that a large portion of the channels I am currently subscribing to are channels that I would not support, if given the choice. The right thing to do would most likely be to follow Richard's lead and put up an antenna, but that would leave me without the few channels we actually watch. I would prefer not to help fund channels like MTV but can not exclude them without losing the regional sports network

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Saoirse · 10-13-2010, 10:44

It starts with one show and there will be more to follow. You will have some parents that will be diligent in watching what their kids watch and edit appropriately and then there will be parents that use the idiot box as a babysitter and won't pay attention to this indoctrination.
As far as ala carte TV, I think they cable and satellite companies would make more money if they allows us to pick and choose! Just my humble opinion!

Sigaba · 10-13-2010, 10:44

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Originally Posted by TrapLine

My understanding is that al la carte cable is more complex than it may seem on the surface, though I have yet to fully understand why. What bothers me is that a large portion of the channels I am currently subscribing to are channels that I would not support, if given the choice. The right thing to do would most likely be to follow Richard's lead and put up an antenna, but that would leave me without the few channels we actually watch. I would prefer not to help fund channels like MTV but can not exclude them without losing the regional sports network

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IMO, your best option is to do all/some of the following:

(a) customize the channel line up on your set-top box to exclude the channels you do not want,
(b) program your DVR to record lots and lots of sports programming,
(c) consistently delete programs off of your DVR that you do not want,
(d) find and join message boards for cable subscribers and talk about how much you want a la carte[these boards are monitored by software engineers/developers if not also cable companies], and
(e) write letters to the staff members of the relevant congressional committees and the FCC.

The importance of steps (b) and (c) is for the viewing data and how those data are harvested/analyzed. Step (d) is crucial because software developers monitor those message boards.

HTH.

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Originally Posted by Saoirse

As far as ala carte TV, I think they cable and satellite companies would make more money if they allows us to pick and choose! Just my humble opinion!

It depends upon how a cable company fits into a corporation's bigger picture. Digital convergence remains the Holy Grail. Right now, the quest for convergence centers around content. Some cable companies are part of corporations that also own services (networks). So if, for example, you want ESPN, Disney is going to do its best to make sure your MSO also carries The Disney Channel.

**Pete** · 10-13-2010, 11:15

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Originally Posted by Sigaba

....... give viewers a de facto a la carte option via parental control and customizable channel line ups. ......

True but you still pay for all the channels on that tier. Which is why cable companies like to keep bumping the popular channels up to the next tier.

Remember when HBO was the next step up from basic cable? Now HBO & Showtime are up on tier four.

rdret1 · 10-13-2010, 12:35

That is one reason I like my Directv. I can set up a program with only the channels I want to see and don't have to mess with the rest of the garbage. Discovery Kids, soon to be "the Hub", however is one of the channels I want my kids to watch. We will have to see if that remains true after airing of "The 99" though.