I did not know Ebonics was a language...let alone a form of English

[Richard]

As Tommy Lee Jones said in Under Siege, "Welcome to the revolution!"

Richard

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Richard

Ever read A Clockwork Orange

I did, after seeing the movie. It was an interesting educational exercise that Burgess knew he could exceed at. (At which Burgess knew he could succeed. [No rapped knuckles, please.] )

There is a last chapter that was not included, BTW (text-speak).

Last Tick of the Orange.

Pat

[Sigaba]

To put it politely, elements of profound intellectual inconsistency are at play in this thread. Some decry the decline of academic standards, especially the teaching of proper English. The argument goes like this: people should speak and write the language as it is taught (or should be taught) in high school.

At the same time, some of these same individuals seem to have forgotten one of the basic lessons of medieval and early modern European history that one learns in the eleventh grade. Specifically, the role the vernacular played in the flowering of western European society and culture.

So on the one hand, some are worthy of scorn and contempt for failing to do as they were taught or knowing what they "should" know. On the other hand...

[Guy]

First, it's damn shame I don't qualify.

Second,

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

I was constantly amazed at the ability of most of my students to switch from 'street' to 'academic' at the drop of a hat

Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

As for business, I found it very useful to be able to switch back and forth into different dialects -- not fluently, and not to an extreme -- most clients.... There are certain core abilities that make you more fluent in the job market -- one of them is knowing when to use your dialect freely and when to ratchet it up (or down) a few notches. IMO this is nothing more than good people skills and business sense.

I agree. I switch dialects unintentionally from English, Spanglish, Turkish, Iraqiish, Ebonicish, Southernish, Yankeeish, Californish and will soon be using Texasish hopefully.

Stay safe.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

... some of these same individuals seem to have forgotten one of the basic lessons of medieval and early modern European history that one learns in the eleventh grade. Specifically, the role the vernacular played in the flowering of western European society and culture.

Mi amigo, you seem t be assuming that EVERYONE had the same 11th grade education. It didn't happen. It doesn't happen. It won't happen.

Everyone loved the movie Stand and Deliver about Jaime Escalante at Garfield High, here in L.A. What happened when he retired? They dropped the course.

Pat

[Richard]

What happened when he retired...they dropped the course.

They did!? Why am I always the last one to know about these things?!

...EVERYONE had the same 11th grade education. It didn't happen. It doesn't happen. It won't happen.

They didn't? My 11th Grade SY:

• Alg2
• American Lit (1 Sem) - SciFi Lit (1 Sem)
• Art3
• Physics
• Spanish 3
• World History
• Athletics

And so it goes...

Richard

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Richard

They did!? Why am I always the last one to know about these things?!



They didn't? My 11th Grade SY:

• Alg2
• American Lit (1 Sem) - SciFi Lit (1 Sem)
• Art3
• Physics
• Spanish 3
• World History
• Athletics

And so it goes...

Richard

At Garfield! (Geez, Richard...No wonder your son lives in the back of his truck! )

Pat

[glebo]

This is actually word for word what he said to a gathering of students who asked about the bailout in America . Great response..
This man deserves a Nobel Prize..

[]
'They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.

I can't even talk the way these people talk:

Why you ain't,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be...

And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.

And then I heard the father talk.

Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that
Kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these
Knuckleheads walking around.

The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.

These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.

$500 sneakers for what?

And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.

Where were you when he was 2?

Where were you when he was 12?

Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?

And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward:
Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?

People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of
Needles [piercing] going through her body?

What part of Africa did this come from??

We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa .....

I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid.

I was born here, and so were my parents and grandparents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany, Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands. The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa. So stop, already! ! !

With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap .......... And all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.

We have got to take the neighborhood back.

People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now.

We have millionaire football players who cannot read.

We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs.
We, as black folks, have to do a better job.

Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.

We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

We cannot blame the white people any longer.'
Dr. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed .D.

[]

WELL SAID, BILL
It's NOT about colour...

It's about Behaviour!!!



Sounds about right to me.....

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

To put it politely, elements of profound intellectual inconsistency are at play in this thread. Some decry the decline of academic standards, especially the teaching of proper English. The argument goes like this: people should speak and write the language as it is taught (or should be taught) in high school.

At the same time, some of these same individuals seem to have forgotten one of the basic lessons of medieval and early modern European history that one learns in the eleventh grade. Specifically, the role the vernacular played in the flowering of western European society and culture.

So on the one hand, some are worthy of scorn and contempt for failing to do as they were taught or knowing what they "should" know. On the other hand...

Wow! We just discussed this last night in my World History 1 class. (Well, I discussed and they looked at the clock.). I think the word 'vernacular' threw them. And... they were 11th graders - but they should have passed this class in 10th grade. (They were 'busy' back then.)

Tonight is Martin Luther and The Reformation! (In ONE night... talk about miracles!). I'm so excited that I am going to get a substitute. (She's a friend, used to teach this class, likes this unit, retired last year and needs the money... oh, that last part makes me nervous about next year.)

Too bad about the Jaime Escalante thing. What can I say... it's LA (not the oil spill place - don't you hate those USPS forced abbreviations for the states? I mean was 'Ariz' so hard to write? Is 'IL' really better than 'Ill'?). You know the city whose school district was $600,000,000 'short' this year, yet opened a $600,000,000 'Taj Mahal' school at the same time.

Well, at LEAST Dan Quayle's son didn't win his Republican primary race here in Ariz. (If you look 'namby pamby' up on the dictionary, his picture is beside it - Ben Quayle, not Dan.)

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

The argument goes like this: people should speak and write the language as it is taught (or should be taught) in high school.

At the same time, . . . (really good point)
So on the one hand (another good point)
On the other hand...

You mixed your metaphors. Everything you wrote is, therefore, invalid. Nee neer neer nee ner!

[PSM]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

Well, at LEAST Dan Quayle's son didn't win his Republican primary race here in Ariz. (If you look 'namby pamby' up on the dictionary, his picture is beside it - Ben Quayle, not Dan.)

Quayle wins GOP slugfest in AZ 3rd Cong. District

AZ Congressional races surprise voters

Posted: 9:53 PM
Last Updated: 1 hour and 13 minutes ago
By: Associated Press

PHOENIX - The son of former Vice President Dan Quayle has won the GOP nomination in Arizona's 3rd Congressional District.


Link

Also, my brother-in-law is working on a $300,000,000 LAUSD school that's just a few miles from the $600,000,000 one.

Pat

[olhamada]

After living in "Mamfis" for 15 years, I learned my share of medical Ebonics. See if you can guess the translation:

1) I be gripin'
2) I be havin' seahorses in my liva
3) I got high blood
4) I got low blood
5) I be havin' sick as hell disease
6) Ma baby be havin' a ribacol
7) Ma cat be dischargin'
8) Ma baby be havin' a skint worm with a swole tip
9) Ma baby daddy be havin' 69 roses
10) Ma baby be havin' Smilin' Mighty Jesus
11) I be havin' fireballs in ma Eucharist
12) I be comin' on
13) I be runnin' off
14) You gonna look in mya era?
15) I don't drink no brrrr
16) I be the white sheep in ma family
17) Whe you people be stayin'?

[Saoirse]

Originally Posted by glebo

This is actually word for word what he said to a gathering of students who asked about the bailout in America . Great response..
This man deserves a Nobel Prize..

[]
'They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.

I can't even talk the way these people talk:

Why you ain't,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be...

And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.

And then I heard the father talk.

Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that
Kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these
Knuckleheads walking around.

The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.

These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.

$500 sneakers for what?

And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.

Where were you when he was 2?

Where were you when he was 12?

Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?

And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward:
Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?

People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of
Needles [piercing] going through her body?

What part of Africa did this come from??

We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa .....

I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid.

I was born here, and so were my parents and grandparents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany, Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands. The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa. So stop, already! ! !

With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap .......... And all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.

We have got to take the neighborhood back.

People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now.

We have millionaire football players who cannot read.

We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs.
We, as black folks, have to do a better job.

Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.

We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

We cannot blame the white people any longer.'
Dr. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed .D.

[]

WELL SAID, BILL
It's NOT about colour...

It's about Behaviour!!!



Sounds about right to me.....

Yes it is well said...now some white folks need to step up and say the same thing to all the white kids out there that like to speak that way.. Beeeeeecause it's "keepin' it real" and "bein' down wit da homies". <shrug>

[Richard]

This is actually word for word what he said to a gathering of students who asked about the bailout in America. Great response.

Although the content of the remarks is worthy of consideration, the remarks were actually made by Mr Cosby at an event on 17 May 2004 commemorating the 50th anniversary of the landmark Brown vs the Board of Ed of Topeka Kansas decision - some 4+ years before any 'bailouts' were provided to US businesses.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/cosby.asp

Just sayin'...

Richard

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by echoes

Look up the United States Army for one!

I did. (While listening to Ice Cube, Ice-T, Too $hort, Public Enemy, Showbiz and A.G., the Grand Imperial Lord Finesse, Eric B. and Rakim, Mantronix, and Boogie Down Productions, among others.)

Originally Posted by echoes

Agreement in how, what, why and where.

Your statement is historically inaccurate.

William T. Sherman's reaction to general order number 28, his responses to the Army Appropriation Act of 1869, as well as his responses to the Garfield Committee that same year were but a few examples of bitter debates within the "Old Army" over civil military relations, military jurisprudence, education, the army's mission, force structure, and tactics that resonated throughout the Gilded Age.

These debates played out in private correspondence, in testimony and statements to congress, at reunions of Civil War veterans, in meetings at the army's schools, and in articles in professional publications like The Journal of the Military Institution, and in the pages of middlebrow magazines such as the North American Review.