NYC Ground Zero Mosque

[Nightflyer]

I apologize Warrior Mentors- for the back to back post ect. But how about Nancy "blink eyes" with her UNBELIVEABLE remark?

Pelosi (D-Calif.) gave an interview Tuesday in which she expressed hope that the funding sources of those opposing the mosque would be looked into, but did not specify how. Republicans have seized on Pelosi's remarks since then, part of a growing political firestorm over the construction of the center.

"There is no question that there is a concerted effort to make this a political issue by some, and I join those who have called for investigation looking into, how is this opposition into the mosque being funded?" she asked.

Funded? investigation? what? looking into those who opposed the mosque? is she completely lost or smoking socks?

Way to stay in the fight from the beginning and Holding Ground. Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.)


Night

[Thomas Paine]

Originally Posted by Nightflyer

Gypsy- Well said, that's a fact. We need to stay in the fight and hold our ground. You know the nation is pissed off when Harry Reed backs off and wants to join the fight.


Night

Or he's in a desperate fight to keep his job this election cycle...

And it's Reid, not to be confused with the other Senator Reed - Jack.

[T-Rock]

FYI, your references to Nazism fly in the face of decades of historiographical debate over the nature, rise, and fall of National Socialism.

So the whole of Germany willingly accepted a Supremacist ideology that advocated the genocide of the Jews, as part of its vision, or were the German people as whole asleep?

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBFBv...eature=related


Considering the Madinan way, the way of which Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf adheres, what part of Islam isn’t racist or anti-Semitic towards the Kafiroon, or the Jews ?

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him”

FWIW - IMO, below was the Islamic anti-Semitic blueprint for the genocide of a race, utilized by Hitler…sanctioned by those who follow the “Soundness of the Basic Premises of the School of the People of Madina”


> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl8sMDZkyXc
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJI0H...eature=related
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E51OU...eature=related
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDpd5...eature=related
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDRze...eature=related
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3IDs...eature=related
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIMkN...eature=related

[Richard]

Such an einfache weltanschauung amazes me.

Richard

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

So the whole of Germany willingly accepted a Supremacist ideology that advocated the genocide of the Jews, as part of its vision, or were the German people as whole asleep?

Does an ahistorical comparison between Nazism and Islam help achieve your political objective or does the attempt raise questions better left unasked?

Why do you confine your view of German history to either/or interpretations? (FYI, German historiography is keen on multi-causality.)

Did Nazism always advocate the genocide of the Jews or did that objective develop over time? You are hinting at a teleological interpretation of the Holocaust that historians have, IMO, successfully challenged. (Are you on to something that they have missed?)

Why do you exclude Jews in your formulation of "the German people"? (You do so in this post as well as in your current signature.)

[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by Richard

Such an einfache weltanschauung amazes me.

Richard

Why must it be complicated?

[Richard]

Originally Posted by SF-TX

Why must it be complicated?

Because I have found it always is.

However - YMMV - but so it goes...

Richard

[T-Rock]

Such an einfache weltanschauung amazes me.

It amazes me too, because there's a reason Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf won't renounce Hezballah or Hamas and their Supremacist Ideology.
By his actions, he shares the ideology of this young lady > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE

What was the commonality between al-Mashriqi, Hajj Amin el-Husseini, Hitler, and Nazism?

> http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/200...-jihad-part-1/


ETA:

Sigaba, my sigline represents Islamic doctrine codified by Sharia to make a point, which separates the Muslim from the Supremacist ideolgy of Islam. Does the good Muslim invalidate Islamic teachings from the Qur’an that advocate intolerance and violence toward non-Muslims (Kafiroon) ?

The Objectives of Jihad

o9.0
(O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion.

o9.1 Jihad is a communal obligation (def: c3.2). When enough people perform it to successfully accomplish it, it is no longer obligatory upon others.

o9.6 It is offensive to conduct a military expedition against hostile non-Muslims without the Caliph’s permission (A: though if there is no Caliph (def: o25), no permission is required.
(The Reliance of the Traveler. Pgs 599-609)

o22.1 ( I )
(9) those (nasikh) which supersede previously revealed Koranic verses;
(10) and those (mansukh) which are superseded by later verses.
(The Reliance of the Traveler. Pgs 625, 626)

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> http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...tz-blueprints/

[6.8SPC_DUMP]

I agree 100% with the Time article: it is a deliberate distortion to call it a mosque at Ground Zero.

It's a muslim cultural center (7000 capacity) and a symbol for them erected near where ours was demolished. Staging it's opening 10 years to the day of ours crumbling erases any doubt of provocation to me. I don't know how to live peacefully with a culture with out respecting their right to have different beliefs - but this anything but that.

Great excuse to bump up the white domestic terrorist severance though.

T-Rock:
I feel like a nazi for never once posting something in support of a bill providing medical care for the First Responders who sucked in tons of pulverized asbestos. I guess Hero's don't complain as much. The EPA has to worry about taking the blame for BP's toxic mess anyway.

[T-Rock]

Teh awesome > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-dPSh--CHU




Source > http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/203647.php

[incarcerated]

Photo found at:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/w...ound-Zero.html

Photo caption:
This aerial photo shows the New York city block, lower right, where a 13-storey mosque is planned for construction two blocks north of the World Trade Centre site, centre left.

[Geenie]

I'm confused. Would someone be so kind as to post a source for the claim that it is anyone's intention to open the cultural center on 9/11?

Originally Posted by 6.8SPC_DUMP

I agree 100% with the Time article: it is a deliberate distortion to call it a mosque at Ground Zero.

It's a muslim cultural center (7000 capacity) and a symbol for them erected near where ours was demolished. Staging it's opening 10 years to the day of ours crumbling erases any doubt of provocation to me. I don't know how to live peacefully with a culture with out respecting their right to have different beliefs - but this anything but that.

Great excuse to bump up the white domestic terrorist severance though.

T-Rock:
I feel like a nazi for never once posting something in support of a bill providing medical care for the First Responders who sucked in tons of pulverized asbestos. I guess Hero's don't complain as much. The EPA has to worry about taking the blame for BP's toxic mess anyway.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Sigaba, my sigline represents Islamic doctrine codified by Sharia to make a point, which separates the Muslim from the Supremacist ideolgy of Islam.

T-Rock--

What ever the intent of your sig line, the (unintended) consequence of its phrasing is that it implicitly endorses the Nazis' definition of who is and is not German. This endorsement raises at least two questions.

IMO, you are undermining the credibility of your analysis of Islamic theology with your ill-considered and unsustainable generalizations about modern German history. You want your readers to accept the notion that "A" is similar to "B." But you are making it ever more clear that you have not invested serious time and effort to understand "B".

Sooner or later, some may come to question your understanding of "A" as well.

Just my $0.02.

[T-Rock]

Is that better

[incarcerated]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...238186074.html

Mosque Planner Says Opposition Goes 'Beyond Islamophobia'

NEW YORK
AUGUST 22, 2010, 4:38 P.M. ET
By THOMAS CATAN
WASHINGTON—A leader of a planned Muslim community center near Manhattan's Ground Zero compared opposition to the project to the persecution of Jews, in comments that could add to the controversy over the center's proposed site.
"We are deeply concerned, because this is like a metastasized antisemitism," said Daisy Khan, who is spearheading the project with her husband, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. "It's beyond Islamophobia. It's hate of Muslims."

Ms. Khan, appearing on ABC News's "This Week" on Sunday, vowed to push ahead with plans to build a 15-story complex two blocks from the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in lower Manhattan, saying there was "too much at stake."

The words could further inflame an already angry debate about the proposed location of the community center, which opponents denounce as a "victory mosque." Rival protests for and against the $100 million center were planned in lower Manhattan on Sunday....

The imam behind the project is described by many as a moderate Muslim leader who has long called for reconciliation between religions. But critics have focused on comments he made shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, to question whether he is as moderate as his supporters say.

Specifically, they point to comments by Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf that while the U.S. didn't deserve what happened on 9/11, its policies were "an accessory to the crime." Asked on Sunday about those comments, Ms. Khan said they had been part of a wider interview that addressed support by the Central Intelligence Agency for Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban in the 1980s - when the U.S. was fighting a proxy war against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.