08-17-2010, 12:45
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Rights and Privileges of Being American?
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Sir, you may be reading my post too narrowly. I did say "rights and privileges."
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This Mosque is not about that. This mosque, in my opinion, is a slap in the face to more dead then Pearl Harbor.
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08-17-2010, 13:36
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Richard - Why do you feel the need to discredit the message by attacking the messenger? Awfully progressive of you. I don't have to agree with everything someone says/does to find value in some of it - I even agree with you occasionally. I can think of a myriad of other, to my mind more important, reasons to denigrate Teddy R (or at least his politics later in his career). His progressive political rhetoric had far more impact on the growth of American liberalism than his "glowing endorsement of a friend's book". To what degree are you condemning eugenics when most modern "progressives" (again TR's self description, strongly supported by his politics) adamantly defend abortion? Is that not a form of eugenics too?
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08-17-2010, 15:15
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Originally Posted by Peregrino
Richard - Why do you feel the need to discredit the message by attacking the messenger? Awfully progressive of you. I don't have to agree with everything someone says/does to find value in some of it - I even agree with you occasionally. I can think of a myriad of other, to my mind more important, reasons to denigrate Teddy R (or at least his politics later in his career). His progressive political rhetoric had far more impact on the growth of American liberalism than his "glowing endorsement of a friend's book". To what degree are you condemning eugenics when most modern "progressives" (again TR's self description, strongly supported by his politics) adamantly defend abortion? Is that not a form of eugenics too?
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I don't know Richard,sometimes you get into more "hot water" than Dozer!.......... 
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08-17-2010, 16:07
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So it is wrong to consider both the character of the message and of the messenger within the broader context of the time and cultural periods in which they existed to better understand their substance?
Personally, I admire many things about Teddy Roosevelt's character - but not so much other aspects of it. He was a man, a politician, and a product of his time...and he was certainly not alone in his thinking.
Richard
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08-20-2010, 16:41
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Originally Posted by alright4u
This Mosque is not about that. This mosque, in my opinion, is a slap in the face to more dead then Pearl Harbor.
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Respectfully i disagree allright4u. My sister was at WTC on 9-11 the building were she worked directly opposite (later "pulled")she wasnt hurt "physically "thank God/Allah(Same).
Around 50 Muslims were murdered on that day in WTC (One a NYC Police Academy Cadet/ Rescue Team Member). And there must of been several Muslim Prayer rooms in the WTC.
We are Americans We are Muslims and like the German Kaiser Wilhelm II said : "We Germans fear only God...and NOTHING else in the world!"
We got Muslim SF-SSGT Ayman Taha KIA 2005 in Iraq (5th SFG) we got Selim "Sal" Baskurt SF Rep. VN.
My sister is a LIVING Victim of 9-11 . We now our constitutional rights and we will be damned if we dont stick up for them like Muhammad Ali did!
I personally know a former Vice-Director National Security Agency who has reverted to Islam some 4o years ago.
so my 2 cents
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08-20-2010, 17:01
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Originally Posted by Raschid
Respectfully i disagree allright4u. My sister was at WTC on 9-11 the building were she worked directly opposite (later "pulled")she wasnt hurt "physically "thank God/Allah(Same).
Around 50 Muslims were murdered on that day in WTC (One a NYC Police Academy Cadet/ Rescue Team Member). And there must of been several Muslim Prayer rooms in the WTC.
We are Americans We are Muslims and like the German Kaiser Wilhelm II said : "We Germans fear only God...and NOTHING else in the world!"
We got Muslim SF-SSGT Ayman Taha KIA 2005 in Iraq (5th SFG) we got Selim "Sal" Baskurt SF Rep. VN.
My sister is a LIVING Victim of 9-11 . We now our constitutional rights and we will be damned if we dont stick up for them like Muhammad Ali did!
I persomally know a former Vice-Director National Security Agency who has reverted to Islam some 4o years ago.
so my 2 cents
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Raschid:
This is not your house, and you are a guest here.
As such, you might want to tread lightly for a while till you get a feel for the board. SA will be very important.
TR
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08-20-2010, 19:37
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Raschid:
This is not your house, and you are a guest here.
As such, you might want to tread lightly for a while till you get a feel for the board. SA will be very important.
TR
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REGROUPING
I stand by my words as they are authentic
but will in future do my utmost
to abide by the rule of PS-Law until i learn the ropes.
There is a wide range of opinions here which is refreshing
i must give my arguments forcefully and mean no disrespect to anyone
as arderntly as i do put forth my argument for : "THIS WE WILL DEFEND!"
Thomas Jefferson gave a Ramadan Iftar for his "Staff"
"OPPRESS NOT , And LET YOURSEVES BE NOT OPPRESSED!"
Words of The Prophet Muhammad
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08-20-2010, 19:46
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Dear Reaper!
Thanks for your kind advice ...
Request clarification on"SA"(meaning etc.)
I stand by my words as they are authentic
but will in future do my utmost
to abide by the rule of PS-Law until i learn the ropes.
There is a wide range of opinions here which is refreshing
i must give my arguments forcefully and mean no disrespect to anyone
as arderntly as i do put forth my argument for : "THIS WE WILL DEFEND!"
Thomas Jefferson gave a Ramadan Iftar for his "Staff"
"OPPRESS NOT , And LET YOURSEVES BE NOT OPPRESSED!"
Words of The Prophet Muhammad
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Understood.
Now follow this.
One argument at a time.
No name calling.
Stick to the facts.
If you are forceful again or ignore the instructions, you will be banned without any further warning.
Is English your native language?
Your quotes are not impressing me, BTW.
TR
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
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08-20-2010, 19:53
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I personally know a former Vice-Director National Security Agency who has reverted to Islam some 4o years ago.
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Why revert? Why not convert?
Is it because the prophet Muhammad said “No babe is born upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist” (Sahih Muslim, Book 033) ???
Just curious...
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08-20-2010, 20:32
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Why revert? Why not convert?
Is it because the prophet Muhammad said “No babe is born upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist” (Sahih Muslim, Book 033) ???
Just curious...
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HI T-Rock !
Its´actaully the other way around:
"Every child is born into Islam its just that later his parent turn him into
their religion" Deen ul Fitra = "The Religion Of Your Natural State/Condition"
Which means Absolute Mono-Theism not Trinitarism or Poly Theism.
thanks for asking
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