Rucksacks - Page 11

Shock · 05-08-2010, 14:25

I found a picture of the bag for all who were interested. I'm trying to find something similar for civilian use, mystery ranch has some options that look appealing/ similar. There are several features that I am looking for though, if someone thinks they can help please send me a PM and I will explain.

Thanks,
Shock

Aoresteen · 05-12-2010, 12:54

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Originally Posted by english kanigit

Ruck related question:

When an ALICE frame pops a rivet what's the best method of repair? A new rivet? Nut and bolt?

Ek

A stainless steel nut & bolt.

Aoresteen · 05-12-2010, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Dozer523

Awwwwwwww . . . She's Bee-you-tee-full!

The hell with that! If I need 120+ pounds then I need a vehicle or we need to rethink the re-suppy plan. Maybe there's a good reason not to make everything as big as possible or to be able to load out every damn thing.
The solution doesn't alway have to be "More Stuff".

+1

Combat Diver · 05-24-2010, 01:02

I've humped the ALICE (large and medium), LOWE, CPF90, SPEARS and Blackhawk SOF. Never got issued the MOLLE. For winter warefare and mountains prefer the LOWE/SPF90 (resitched), Maritime Operations (F470, diving and surface swimming) hands down the ALICE. For sea kayaking prefer an internal frame but haven't found the right one yet. SPEARS just too heavy to start with. Got the Blackhawk SOF but didn't do much humping with it as it was usually mounted outside the DMV.

Average weight during my teams Desert Storm SR mission was 120-130 lbs with no resupply (plus 30+ lb LBE). One thrid of the weight was water and it all went inside/outside a large ALICE.

CD

Grand58742 · 06-08-2010, 10:29

I’m looking at getting a ruck for my day to day work in carrying my kit. I’m a cop, but have need to carry the following items day to day:

IBA (possibly with side SAPI and DAPS when deployed)
ACH
Gas mask (M50 type)
Foul weather gear (APECS top and bottom)
Cold weather gear (seasonal, but consists of the Level 3 fleece and typically other snivel tops and bottoms)
2 quart canteen
Practice chem suit (JLIST type) with boots and gloves (mainly for exercises)
Assorted other odds and ends (spare pouches, traffic vest, reflector belt, manuals, etc)

I currently use an B4 flight bag, but I would like something with straps so I can carry it on my back if the need arises. Also, this would serve a double purpose as a deployment pack if I ever have need to carry in my basic load as I did going from Kuwait to Iraq with enough clothing/kit to last me up to seven days. Main use would be day to day carry on the job, but I would like the option of being able to use it for more than just throwing into a car trunk.

I’ve used the CFP90, but it blew out and frankly I’ve seen more than my fair share of broken ones (typically the SDS ones) and don’t trust them. I have a SPEAR pack, but just about too complicated for a knuckle dragger like me and width wise it’s a stretch for cramming an IBA into. The ALICE is a possibility along with the MOLLE II, but was looking for something coyote brown or foliage, with personal preference on the ‘yote.

I was looking at a Kifaru pack based on the reviews here as well as other sites and was hoping Mel or anyone else in the know might be able to point me at the right pack for the job. Total load should be in the range of 50-70 pounds with carrying the bulky items listed above, but I wouldn’t mind the capability for more. I was looking at the Navigator with the Pods system. Pod for the chem suit and the main pack for everything else. I also like the fact the Navigator has the full length zippers so I wouldn’t have to drag everything out to get at something on the bottom.

Suggestions?

Koa18B · 06-13-2010, 16:25

You could consider a "MALICE" from Tactical Tailor. I had one for about 1.5 years and it lasted and worked well. I did have one seem rip but it was to my own fault and they repaired it free, just had to pay for both shipping ways. They also give LE/Mil discount which is great.

Kifaru is great I have had friends use them and love them and i do agree with the you get what you pay for, but to me IMHO they are not "the perfect ruck" by any means.

Do you need MOLLE attachement capabilities? are you going to need to expand you load to include more stuff in the futur?

Grand58742 · 06-13-2010, 23:28

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Originally Posted by Koa18B

You could consider a "MALICE" from Tactical Tailor. I had one for about 1.5 years and it lasted and worked well. I did have one seem rip but it was to my own fault and they repaired it free, just had to pay for both shipping ways. They also give LE/Mil discount which is great.

Looked at the MALICE before...and somehow never happened to notice they made them in Coyote Brown. So much for my SA.

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Originally Posted by Koa18B

Kifaru is great I have had friends use them and love them and i do agree with the you get what you pay for, but to me IMHO they are not "the perfect ruck" by any means.

Do you need MOLLE attachement capabilities? are you going to need to expand you load to include more stuff in the futur?

Absolutely have to have, no. Would really like to have the option of being able to switch pouches/pockets to meet needs as they come along, absolutely. I don't have to have that option, but I would really like to have that option. So down to it, yes, I would like to have MOLLE capabilities. But overall quality is my objective. I know Tac Tailor builds good kit. I use quite a bit of their stuff at work and have been utterly happy so far. And from the reviews I've seen here and elsewhere, Kifaru is good kit as well, but I don't own anything by them.

Thanks for the advice.

alright4u · 06-14-2010, 21:45

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Originally Posted by lksteve

i liked the old mountain rucks, somewhat like the Brits' Bergen...it had a lot of the favorable attributes of the ALICE, in my opinion, the weight of the ruck was better distributed and the frame hardly ever bent or deformed...for awhile, i used the frame for an ALICE but some AH with nothing better to worry about than uniformity put the brakes on that endeavor...when i was in BT, we tried the Lowe's system, with detachable pockets, zip-on, zip off stuff, an internal frame, somewhat akin to the SPEARS in appearance....stuff dropped off when going through the woods, it was hard to rig for airborne operations and the zippers rarely worked in cold, icy weather...we gravitated back to the ALICE because, while it didn't hold enough stuff, it was reliable...yeah, i bent my share of frames over the years, but compared to having a pocket with your dry socks in it drop off in the Isar River, it was worth the trade off...

when i was a company commander in Alaska, Natick came up to do a study on soldiers' load...our average ruck, moving about in the Arctic, was around100 pounds...basically, a troop carried his MOPP stuff, two sleeping bags, ammo, socks, food, dry clothes, ponchos, etc...the ALICE packs were filled to the bursting point and they were looking for a solution...it seems, 16 years later, they are still looking...

I recall the Mountain, the Jungle, and; the Indig. That is all I recall. We carried the INDIG in our unit on combat OPS. Frankly, I would pay $30 + now for one PIR with shrimp, mushrooms , hot pepper flakes and plus the" fresh bamboo shoots" the yards cut from young bamboo when we were relatively safe. I cannot recall the PIR 's #'s and contents from 1-5, I seem to recall. I was no fan of the mutton PIR. I would trade a yard or any SF to take my PIR mutton.

$lug · 07-12-2010, 07:28

**The Reaper** · 07-12-2010, 07:34

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Originally Posted by $lug

First post... Thought this reply would ad some interesting eye candy on the various ALICE "types" out there now.

~$lug

Let me ask you, just a wild guess, but have you bothered to read the board stickies and rules yet?

TR

MasterOfMyFate · 07-12-2010, 08:44

I see many people talk about improvements to the ALICE frame and pack because it seems to be 1) the standard or trust worthiness, and 2) simple and familiar to almost EVERYONE. I have seen where some folks have referenced to the Mystery Ranch "NICE frame", and most agree it is just too pricy to even bother giving a try. I came across THIS more simple, WAAAY more cheap improved ALICE frame, and wonder if anyone has any input on it, from either personal experience and/or second hand knowledge:

http://www.tacticalassaultgearstore.com/aliceframe.aspx

Blender · 07-13-2010, 18:13

Has anyone attempted to attach a MOLLE ruck to a NICE frame yet? I just picked up a used NICE frame, but I left my ALICE at home. I can get a hold of a MOLLE, not sure if it will work though.

$lug · 07-13-2010, 22:48

Reaper,

I did not read the opening guidelines and I do apologize for that. I have been a very long time lurker and had never thought to read them. (Bio updated, as well as first post left)

Blender,

The Molle pack will not work on a nice frame yet. However Mystery Ranch will soon be accepting packs for mods so that any will fit the nice frame. (Molle, ILBE, Etc.) I believe in the next few months.

Masterofmyfate,

TAG's frame is very nice but the ergonmics dont change at all. Im becoming a bigger fan of the down east frames.

Blender · 07-15-2010, 09:39

So I can mail it to them and they mob it to work with the MOLLE? Wonder how much that will cost. I'll probably just have my roomie mail the ALICE.

Thanks for the in for though, $lug.

WolfPack-5 · 04-03-2013, 10:11

Old habits die hard... I use to own the old ALICE pack, regular size and mountain size, or large recon size... whatever you prefer to call it. Anyway I finally broke down and got the Marine Corps issue MOLLE, and I invested some money in the EBERLESTOCK SKY CRANE pack. I love both of them! They are both excellent packs and they can both take a beating! I got the EBERLESTOCK SKYCRANE with the Built in and detachable riffle scabbard (Why did I get it?) Because I use to be a U.S. Marine Corps Marksmanship Instructor, The Covering Force Commander for F.A.S.T. Company Marines, and a D.M. (Designated Marksman) I carry my M-4 plus my Modified Springfield Armory Carlos Hathcock Addition M-14 (Or M-24 by Springfield Armory) w/scope in the rifle Scabbard. The Eberlestock line of Packs has a good variety of packs for what ever the mission might be. I know this may sound like I am trying to sell you on this product I can assure you I am not. I have packed all my extra ammo for both of my weapon systems plus all my needed essential gear in both packs and they have performed outstanding. But I really love my Eberlestock Pack. This guy has come up with some great innovations for load bearing Packs or Rucks. I am getting Older too so I have come to appreciate comfort and good quality lol! Below is the link. Be your own judge. If you are on a budget then go on Ebay and purchase a U.S. Marine Corps MOLLE Pack. Either way you will not be disappointed. In both packs I have packed them with two sets of BDU's (A set of Civillian Clothes because you never know), Four pairs of socks with shells, Four sets of under garments, Rain gear, and one set of light cold weather under garments (Just incase) 6-MRE's, Extra Camel Bak Filled with water, 100 extra rounds of Ammo for each weapon system, and other miscellaneous survival type items, tent, and sleep system. When you pack out this much gear it pays off to be as comfortable has possible. Physical Conditioning is Paramount! I also have a packing mule and horse to carry me and all my gear. But once they take a shit it's Hump your own gear time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG0Vi...e=results_main