Remedial Action

[kgoerz]

A Question came up at work.
In most Pistol Remedial Action you Lock the slide to the rear. Then remove the Magazine when doing Remedial Action.
In most Rifle Remedial Action you remove the Magazine first, then lock the Bolt to the rear when doing Remedial Action.

Can anyone give me a good reason why the Magazine is removed first with the Rifle and not with the Pistol. We are using M4 Carbines and 1911 Pistols.

[longrange1947]

I would always remove the mag first, regardless of weapon so that I would not have a chance to let a slide go forward, chamber a round, and chance a slam fire.

The slam fire is the danger of a rifle but not a pistol as much. One of the reason you always place a M1 on safe before letting the bolt go forward. Dam embarrassing what?

Dam that was old school info, now why did I bring up M1???????

[18Z]

The simplest way to explain it is that you can man handle an M4 mag out just grab it and yank it after all we all know to remove the source of feed first.

However let me put this part into context....We train as we fight....

doing remedial action on a pistol means you first had to do immediate action which also means your primary went down so.....you may be having a bad day and a short time to fix it, but when you perform immediate action you either A- fix the problem and continue your engagements, B- find out you are out of ammo and now the slide locks back on its own, or C- debris or something keeps the round from entering the chamber which keeps it out of battery. If you hit the mag release it wont fall the half in/half out round holds the magazine in the weapon. We used to teach in the CIF to use another magazine and hook the on each other to strip it out but it didn't make any sense we went with the KISS principle economy of motion all 3 require you to jack back the slide