Hello Muslims

[dadof18x'er]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

I have a hard time believing Mohammed was intelligent enough to put us into this pickle - whatever happens, it appears some sort of stage is being set - mine eyes are focused on Israel - I'm-a-nut-job will eventually speak Hebrew

I guess the good old temple mount is the focus, if Israel were to announce that they were making plans to build their temple it could get interesting. But there
have been ton of prophesies already fullfilled.

[Warrior-Mentor]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

I have a hard time believing Mohammed was intelligent enough to put us into this pickle - whatever happens, it appears some sort of stage is being set - mine eyes are focused on Israel - I'm-a-nut-job will eventually speak Hebrew

The quran mentions 5 things a Muslim MUST BELIEVE in order to be a Muslim.
These 5 things have, as a result, become a creed of sorts within islam.

From the Quran:

"It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East
and the West; but righteousness is he who believeth in allah
and the Last Day and the Angels and the scripture and
the prophets..."
- Surah 2:177

Notice the order of the 5 TENETS OF BELIEF:

1. Belief in allah.
2. Belief in the Last Day.
3. Belief in angels.
4. Belief in THE scripture.
5. Belief in the prophets.

This is very different from Christianity.

There are no true Muslims who do not believe in the Last Day and the events which precede it.

Can you see why it might be important to understand the religious anticipations of 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide?

[Richard]

Are you saying (1) there is a 'ranked order' of the things in which a Muslim must believe in order to be rightous in the judgment of God, and (2) that such a belief in a final judgment day and an end of days (a rapture) is far different from Christian belief?

Richard

Originally Posted by olhamada

I guess that says it all.

It does say it all, quite succinctly. They set up the rules to this conflict, not us.

Unlike your posts wherein you want us to focus on one particular sentence or another while you simultaneously tell us not to focus on only one sentence, I want you to read my entire posts.

I want you to read and focus on the entire thing so maybe you will open your eyes and see what is staring you in the face is quite literally death and destruction of everything that you know and love at the hands of the muslims.

On the 1 hand you have radical extremist muslims trying to kill the world, while on the other you have moderate muslims telling you that they are just angry muslims and the rest are peaceful. Yet they attend the same mosques with the radicals, read the same literature, worship the same allah, follow the same mohammed, whose teachings state that is is the righteous muslim who purposely deceives thee infidel...

I'm not trying to convince you to believe me based on some shit I heard on TV. I'm simply telling you what their intentions are. I am telling you what I know that has been told to me by these people you wish to reason with.

The muslims themselves have decided to destroy all non-muslims and they have told this fact to the world, yet you and so many others like you are in denial.

By all means, if you know of a better way to defeat an enemy that is bent on global domination and the murder and enslavement of all who do not convert, then start throwing them out there. Our gubmint has been trying to find a way for 3 decades!

Currently, you are simply uneducated on the matter and are refusing to listen to what the muslims themselves are telling you, so I do not expect you to listen to us non-muslims. haha

The facts are all in your face. Wake the f*** up.

[olhamada]

Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor

The quran mentions 5 things a Muslim MUST BELIEVE in order to be a Muslim.
These 5 things have, as a result, become a creed of sorts within islam.

Notice the order of the 5 TENETS OF BELIEF:

1. Belief in allah.
2. Belief in the Last Day.
3. Belief in angels.
4. Belief in THE scripture.
5. Belief in the prophets.

This is very different from Christianity.

Interesting point.

Maybe we can add a sixth to that? - Belief in Destiny or Fate? (qadar) (I know this one is questionable in some views).

They also have 5 required "practices" or pillars (in no specific order):
1. Zakat - Giving alms (2 1/2% of income) to the poor
2. Salat - Prayer 5 times a day
3. Hajj - Pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in their lifetime
4. Sawm - Fasting
5. Shahada - Declaration of belief in one god with Muhammed as his prophet.


As Christians we have 5 "essentials" of the faith as well.

1. Belief in the Deity of Jesus Christ.
2. Belief that Christ was born of a virgin.
3. Belief that the scriptures are holy, inspired by God, infallible in the original manuscripts, and inerrant in the original manuscripts.
4. Belief in the literal death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.
5. Belief in the literal bodily return of Christ at His Second Coming.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Richard

It was what it was - are you inferring that we should now nuke the Islamic world to attempt a rapid end to the GWOT?

Richard

Richard,

I didn't read it the way you are stating either. I read it as a decision that was made by a prior president and how it did change the ideology of an evil people in a rapid manner.

I will say Warrior-Mentor is the most "un"-disingenuous individual I've met in a long long time.

TS

[Richard]

I didn't read it the way you are stating either.

Maybe I did read it wrong - but I was asking for clarification as I was unsure of the context or relevance of what was being asked in relation to the direction of the thread's discussion - a direct answer would have helped.

If I was mistaken - I apologize.

Richard

[7624U]

Originally Posted by rltipton

By all means, if you know of a better way to defeat an enemy that is bent on global domination and the murder and enslavement of all who do not convert, then start throwing them out there. Our gubmint has been trying to find a way for 3 decades!

1. Pull all troops back and hold the boarders with them killing all who try to cross under our nose.

2. Create Fusion power and don't give it to anyone.

3. Create a Nanomite that will infiltrate every human on the planet

4. Program all Nanomites to attack the reproductive system of anyone that is not tagged with a micro chip we create.

5. If you are a member of certain faith you get no micro chip.

You wanted Idea's ive got lots more

[Warrior-Mentor]

Originally Posted by Richard

Are you saying (1) there is a 'ranked order' of the things in which a Muslim must believe in order to be rightous in the judgment of God, and (2) that such a belief in a final judgment day and an end of days (a rapture) is far different from Christian belief?

Richard

I'm pointing out the order they are listed in the Koran.

Yes, by the Koran, Muslims are required to believe in those 5 things to be judged righteous in the eyes of allah - NOT GOD.
Don't confuse the two or use them interchangeably - they are different.

And while end of time belief is prominent in the New Testament and in the life of the early church, today belief in the end of days is almost optional or generally ignored by most. Additionally, the Christian understanding is significantly different from the islamic dogma.

One example:

Did you know that islamic jesus (Isa Al-Maseeh) is going to come back and slay all the jews AND Christians who don't convert to islam?

Little different that the Christian understanding of the second coming of Jesus Christ?

[Warrior-Mentor]

Originally Posted by olhamada

Interesting point.

Maybe we can add a sixth to that? - Belief in Destiny or Fate? (qadar) (I know this one is questionable in some views).

They also have 5 required "practices" or pillars (in no specific order):
1. Zakat - Giving alms (2 1/2% of income) to the poor
2. Salat - Prayer 5 times a day
3. Hajj - Pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in their lifetime
4. Sawm - Fasting
5. Shahada - Declaration of belief in one god with Muhammed as his prophet.


As Christians we have 5 "essentials" of the faith as well.

1. Belief in the Deity of Jesus Christ.
2. Belief that Christ was born of a virgin.
3. Belief that the scriptures are holy, inspired by God, infallible in the original manuscripts, and inerrant in the original manuscripts.
4. Belief in the literal death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.
5. Belief in the literal bodily return of Christ at His Second Coming.

Zakat is 2 1/2% of Net Worth, not income.
And the poor only represent 1/8th of the recipients of the zakat.
At least 1/8th BY SHARIA LAW supports islamic military operations.
Which is why so many islamic charities are indicted and shut down for terror finance.
Some argue that as much as 4 of the 8 categories support violent jihad.

Read this for a summarized explanation of Zakat in islamic law:
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ighlight=zakat

For a more thorough understanding, read Book H, Zakat in
Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law
by Nu Ha Mim Keller pages 244-276.

Get yours here:
http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Trave...0123533&sr=8-1

So don't buy the "Zakat is charity for the poor" bullshit.
Some of it does, but much if not most supports killing our troops and other non-Muslims world-wide.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor

I'm pointing out the order they are listed in the Koran.

Yes, by the Koran, Muslims are required to believe in those 5 things to be judged righteous in the eyes of allah - NOT GOD.
Don't confuse the two or use them interchangeably - they are different.

And while end of time belief is prominent in the New Testament and in the life of the early church, today belief in the end of days is almost optional or generally ignored by most. Additionally, the Christian understanding is significantly different from the islamic dogma.

One example:

Did you know that islamic jesus (Isa Al-Maseeh) is going to come back and slay all the jews AND Christians who don't convert to islam?

Little different that the Christian understanding of the second coming of Jesus Christ?

http://www.answers.com/topic/allah

http://www.answers.com/topic/rapture

http://www.answers.com/topic/last-judgment

http://www.answers.com/topic/islamic-view-of-jesus

[Warrior-Mentor]

Richard - This is exactly what I'm trying to educate people about.

Do you like being duped?

Why not just go ahead and use John Esposito's Dictionary of Islam?

http://www.investigativeproject.org/...ion-vs-reality

The fact he's accepted over $20 Million for Georgetown from Saudi Prince Bin Talal?

That doesn't bias his writing at all...

Read what's written by Muslims for Muslims.

And as for that explanation of Jesus, did you notice that islam demotes Jesus to merely another prophet, deny Jesus was crucified, and by default rose again, thereby denying that he died for our sins and deny Jesus' divinity. Suppose that's no difference. After all, they both have the same name.


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[frostfire]

Originally Posted by rltipton

Look at it this way: A bad man moves in on your street and says he is going to murder everyone on the street as soon as he is able. He murders a few people here and there and gets away with it because he says they deserved it for keeping him and his kind down. He openly states that he is going to kill some more on your street and that you and your family are on his list. Are you going to sit and parrot that crap he is spewing about it not being his fault or are you going to load up the 12 gauge and make a pre-emptive strike to protect your family against the inevitable?

I'm not going to wait until he catches me with my guard down...

This reminds me of the recent rules of war class I had to take. A CNA told us a hostile he was about to put to sleep thanked him for making him better. To show his gratitude, he'd kill him first quickly. A pre-emptive strike would be unprofessional, and perhaps what the insurgent wished for. However, what if the hostile is resolute to keep his word? Tough place.

With such an extreme (even if it's the only) solution, I wonder how folks like the ones who live in Korphe (Pashtun first, Muslim second) and work with "Dr. Gireg" would react. Of course, I've only read and listened. No first hand experience. This is why I very much desire deployment to these areas. Heard enough from both sides. Time to see it myself and draw my own conclusion.

Warrior-Mentor Sir,

muslims, atheists, etc. who read Christian teaching may throw this around and ask where're the grace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the good 'ol WWJD. When the early Christians were persecuted and faced annihilation from the Romans, the majority did not fight back. Yet, centuries later they still exist and their number grows. Can this scenario apply today? (rhetorical question). The higher ground is indeed a tough place to reach, and to be at.

I personally believe that moslem (particularly in Middle East) do not need non-moslems to start going off on their killing spree. I long for the day of total independence from fossil fuel and somehow a miraculous resolution to the Israel nation problem. The West can then completely leave the Middle East, leaving them to have their own merry Islamic way and secretarian feud, and self terminate.

[Warrior-Mentor]

Originally Posted by frostfire

Warrior-Mentor Sir,

I personally believe that moslem (particularly in Middle East) do not need non-moslems to start going off on their killing spree. I long for the day of total independence from fossil fuel and somehow a miraculous resolution to the Israel nation problem. The West can then completely leave the Middle East, leaving them to have their own merry Islamic way and secretarian feud, and self terminate.

That makes two of us.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by olhamada

Agreed.

But look guys, the issue here is not whether or not we need to use force to stop Islam. The ONLY way to stop them is with force - and lots of it.

The point I am making is that complete and total annihilation of 1/4 of the world's population - as is being advocated on this thread - is not the way to go about it.

I know exactly what Muslims are, and how they think. I am not trying to be PC - I can't stand folks who are. It sickens me. I am trying to defeat this enemy, preserve our nation, protect my family, while at the same time, not becoming like them, or Hitler, or Idi Amin, or Pol Pot.

You can't honestly say that you believe extermination is the answer, can you?

My issue with Muslim's is simple, have we seen any massive Muslim protests in the US against their so-called 'Radicals' and their hanus acts???? Why Not? Oh, They are afraid to speak out..........When I have 'personally' asked Muslims about Jihad and/or 9/11 I get the same chin boogie every time.

1. Islam is a Religion of Peace
2. It is unfortunate that those people died on 9/11
3. But Isreal........blah, blah
4. The OPPRESSED Palestinians
5. or they get red in the face and say nothing at all

Now in my mind those are not answers, they are excuses. And in my opinion skewed or not is that Muslims too a large degree put their allegiance with Allah and the Koran above all. They are unlikely IMO to ever accept me, my way of life and my beliefs.

Based on my experiences, in my mind, it is me or them, my way of life or theirs, a 2 x 4 full of 16d's or me facing Mecca praying 7 times a day.



Extermination based merely on Ethnicity and Religion....while I do not endorse such acts, many in the Religion of Peace look forward to the extermination of non-Muslims.

I just don't see much in the way of compromise, and what compromise there is a one sided affair that appears to come from my side of the fence.