Hello Muslims

[Warrior-Mentor]

Interesting young lady asks questions of the "silent Muslims"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6sW9Mt2axc

Interesting. She points out very clearly the different interpretations. I've read the Quran, and all I can say is that if I were a devout muslim I'd be killing all non-muslims too...that's how I interpreted it, and I am a relatively educated man.

I once asked the same question to a group of 5 muslim Arabic/Pashtu interpreters that she is asking, but it was less specific. I asked them why the non-radical muslims didn't speak out or take charge and put the radicals in their places and end the madness.

Unanimously, they all agreed that it is because there are no "non-radical" muslims that believe the "radical" muslims are doing anything wrong. Furthermore, they (all 5) stated that when the time comes, the majority of muslims will take a stand together. I did not ask for clarification of the meaning of that statement. I didn't think I needed to...seemed pretty clear to me.

The 5 individuals I spoke with were all educated with 4-8 years of secondary education, 2 were educators, 2 were lawyers, 1 was an accountant.

It is a very difficult situation to deal with. Who do you believe? Certainly their religion teaches that it is just for them to lie to any non-muslims. According to what I recall, it is not only ok to cheat, mislead, abuse all non-muslims, but it glorifies allah when a muslim deceives an infidel. So are the "non-radical" muslims lying in wait, misleading all of us until the big day they all go "boom"?

You cannot put them on trial, because they WILL lie. Nothing they ever say can be taken as factual. How do we deal with the threat within all these "left and right limits" put in place by politically correct dipshit liberals without a clue as to how things happen in the REAL world? Whatever the correct answer is, our gubmint ain't fingered it out yet!!


I've said it before, and I will say it again... We aren't just killing Iraqis in Iraq. We aren't just killing Afghanis in Afghanistan. We are killing Indonesians, Chechens, Philipinos, Syrians, Iranians, Pakis, Uzbeks, Somalis...<insert name of any random f***ed up muslim s**thole country here>. The ONLY common thread between them ALL is the fact that they are muslims, every last one of them. It's time for the world to wake up!

For the record: F*** muslims. Personally the only way I see to solve the muslim problem (we will NEVER do it) is double arm interval, begin at the Pak-China border and clear as you go. Set the LOA at the Ivory Coast and leave not a single one breathing in our wake.

My $0.03

[Richard]

I've said it before, and I will say it again... We aren't just killing Iraqis in Iraq. We aren't just killing Afghanis in Afghanistan. We are killing Indonesians, Chechens, Philipinos, Syrians, Iranians, Pakis, Uzbeks, Somalis...<insert name of any random f***ed up muslim s**thole country here>. The ONLY common thread between them ALL is the fact that they are muslims, every last one of them. It's time for the world to wake up!

For the record: F*** muslims. Personally the only way I see to solve the muslim problem (we will NEVER do it) is double arm interval, begin at the Pak-China border and clear as you go. Set the LOA at the Ivory Coast and leave not a single one breathing in our wake.

YGBSM! That strategy has worked oh so well in the past - why not try it again? Amerika erwacht!

Richard

[olhamada]

Originally Posted by rltipton

For the record: F*** muslims. Personally the only way I see to solve the muslim problem (we will NEVER do it) is double arm interval, begin at the Pak-China border and clear as you go. Set the LOA at the Ivory Coast and leave not a single one breathing in our wake.

My $0.03

If we take this approach, what makes us any different than them? Is genocide the only answer we have? What is it that makes our cause just and their's unjust?

I certainly believe, with every fiber of my being, that there is an Islamic movement afoot that seeks to rule the world under one unified Sharia law. They are trying to accomplish this both with force of arms as well as through subversion. I don't believe that we are in a war against AQ. I believe we are in a wider religious war. A war of values and a war of beliefs. And I belive it is a worldwide war.

As Bill Clinton says in the latest issue of 'Foreign Policy' (and I'm no fan of his, but he's certianly correct here), most all the terrorism in the world today is born in those areas of the world which are effectively "stateless" (Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Palestine, Somalia), or have a very ineffective government.

What options do we have other than extermination/genocide propagated by either fear or hate?

Continued nation building (though sometimes I have doubts as to how well this works). Education of our populous regarding the true threat (again we've shown a lack of receptivity to this as a nation because of all the left leaning tree huggers). Shining light in the dark corners to make the cockroaches run. Helping our citizenry realize and understand the battle we are in and the costs to all of us should we lose.

The way they are winning in Europe and in the US is by using the media, the liberal left, and "tolerance and diversity" arguments to lull us into embarrassment and inaction while they set up networks, establish footholds, and brainwash people into thinking there's nothing wrong with Islam.

And of course, a heavy proactive hand of force that seeks out beds of terror and extremism and destroys them without politically correct media and legislative intrusion.

Not a perfect solution, but we can't lose our own humanity in fighting this evil.

I could go on and on, but enough for now.

[olhamada]

Incidently, if you believe in a sovereign God who knows, sees, and has control over all, have you ever wondered why He allowed Islam to be such a powerful force in our world? Does any of this take Him by surprise?

We know the church flourishes under persecution. We know the state of the church in the US and Western Europe is sadly lukewarm and misguided.

If we look at the OT, every time Israel strayed, God allowed a foreign power to rise up, defeat them, and take them into captivity - until they realized that they were effectively powerless outside of God's guidance and re-submitted themseves to Him.

Islam was born during an era when the church in SA was weak and mired in immorality, cheating, dishonesty, etc... Did God allow/cause Islam to rise up as a way to chasten (not punish - and there is a difference) the church, strengthen them, and guide them back to Himself?

Are we in a similar situation today?

[tom kelly]

Either you are with me or your against me! If it is the latter, THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE WILL BE USED ! NO R O E will be considered...tom kelly......Alah Akbar and enjoy the seedless grapes and bananas when you get to HELL ?

[Utah Bob]

Originally Posted by Richard

YGBSM! That strategy has worked oh so well in the past - why not try it again? Amerika erwacht!

Richard

Dotto.

[T-Rock]

What is it that makes our cause just and their's unjust?

YGBSM

[nmap]

I wonder - might I add an extra dimension to this discussion?

By and large, we believe in abundance - abundance of just about everything, including food, water, and flat screen televisions. In this instance, the term "we" means almost everyone alive, with a few exceptions duly noted. What if this deeply-believed assumption is dead wrong?

Let's keep in mind that the U.S. Agriculture department, circa 1950, started the Green revolution which increased crop yields substantially. Global population increased from around 2.5 billion to 6.5 billion.

Turning to Islamic countries, it seems that there is a unifying characteristic - relatively young populations and relatively rapid population growth. At the same time, the economic numbers seem to suggest substantial poverty among those populations, even in Saudi Arabia. So - and this is a serious question - is it possible that the various behaviors, including terrorism, are enhanced by population overshoot? Thus, Islam creates the environment that makes it possible, and population pressures create the trigger for the events we're experiencing.

This connects with Jared Diamond's book, Collapse. Let us suppose that for some reason, the existing abundance fails. It has in the past. For example, about 95% of the population of Easter island died due to starvation and intense warfare when their island ceased to enjoy abundance. Other populations, such as in Central America, did likewise. So - if we were to see a reduction in food availability, might we not experience global warfare that would, ultimately, result in a similar reduction in population? More pointedly, is it possible that the conflict Rltipton mentioned might be unavoidable due to the realities of population growth?

Now - if this premise is true - then those groups who are unified might have an advantage over those who are not. Thus, Muslims might have an advantage over the West, in one area at least.

Please understand that I am not advocating any particular action. But it occurs to me that a near-genocidal event approaches certainty at some indeterminate future date. I do not say the above lightly. My premise only has to be true once, whereas those who suggest abundance will always persist must be correct every time, forever.

And now a rhetorical question. Unless we firmly believe that the availability of food will never become a problem, should we not do some planning, both personally and nationally, for such a global warfare event? Not stockpiling, so much as what do we do if and when widespread warfare occurs with the Islamic bloc of nations? Again, the preceding is purely rhetorical.

How are we so different from them? You honestly do not get it?

It's very simple.

It is a radical religious movement that teaches Islam or death and that infidels must convert or be killed or enslaved. Go read it yourself. Do you think the "honor killings" in the news lately are anything new? Hardly. These people, I will remind you, are the ones who recently reached through the windows of a mosque and grabbed women and children by the hair and pulled them up then shot them in the heads, tossed hand grenades into the building full of people, then blew themselves up to kill a few more on their way out. You WILL not, CANNOT reason with them, period. Their belief system and sense of duty in martydom far surpasses any zeal you have witnessed, I assure you...hello, suicide bombers?

--versus--

Self preservation against something that can only be stopped in one way, period.

I lived with them, as have many others here. They aren't going to bend or budge. They have made their goal of global domination openly clear and the world continues to go about their business hoping the crazy guys yelling allah ahkbar will go away. It simply isn't going to happen. They aren't going to let up or stop. If we pull out of A'stan before the job is done RIGHT (not to mention if Obama opens our borders to all like he wants to and gives them open access to our country) then you can bet your ass we will be having random IED strikes here in the good old US of A, then what? Oh man you know it will hit the fan. This country will shut down.

You fence-straddlers, wanna-be politically correct, want to be all-accepting, or just plain wanna-be buddies with muslim types can sing the praises of the "hug 'em to death" crowd all you want. You can say that me and those who think like me are radical right wingers (which is very far from the truth) because you have nothing else to label us as, or did not until the term "Islamophobe" was invented... Say what you will. I'm not blinded by the bullshit of the MSM because I was there.

Until you open your eyes and stop trying to be nice and not piss off the muslims, who by the way are already pissed off and they want to acquire weapons of mass destruction and employ them in the USA to kill every man, woman, and child to remove our seed from the planet forever...and they have openly stated such... until you stop being afraid to call a spade a spade and be honest and if it pisses someone off then f*** em, then they will continue to kill us, plan to kill us, and openly state their plans to kill us and wipe us off the earth. Getting it? THEY say this stuff themselves, nobody is making it up!

You really do not see the difference? It has been staring you in the face for a great many years now...since 1983 at least. Go live with them and learn their culture and beliefs, then come back with facts instead of "I think..." or "I really feel that..." That's horseshit. You can "feel" or "think" whatever you want to. I am telling you what I KNOW.

There is 1 way, and it happens to be the same thing that they intend to do, but the reasons are vastly different...same means to a different end. They chose it to be this way, not us. The longer we deny the truth and commit to doing the ugly task that is necessary for the simple purpose of self-preservation (which is still in the Constitution by the way), the stronger they grow and the more difficult it will be to accomplish the task.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by rltipton

How are we so different from them? You honestly do not get it?
It's very simple..

Solid posts on the Muslim thing. Don't agree with all of it still hoping for a middler ground. Grew up believing that the reason there are many different religions is beacuse God (in his infinite wisdom and love) chose to reveal himself in way humans could understand.
Granted, I don't think this is how he was expecting them to keep holy His name but . . . I bet he was disappointed in the crusades, Spanish Inquisition, the forced conversion of the Aztec and Inca, and the Salem witch trials, Extermination camps. (And to a greater degree, JonesTown -- bet He thought we had it figured out.) When He invented the rainbow He said He'd never destroy the world by water. He didin't say He wouldn't destroy it. I guess he gave Christians time to work it out. What is time to God?
Short of total extermination and that is not really an option we have to hope for, encourage, and except nothing less then a needed Muslim Reformation. It can happen because when Martin Luthor went against the Catholic Faith he was excommunicated. (Catholic with a small "c" means universal for a reason).

[olhamada]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

YGBSM

TRock, you're taking my statement WAY out of context. In context, I was saying that if we just go in and exterminate them all from China to the Ivory Coast, as was suggested, then what does make our cause just and their's unjust - because we'd be no better than them.

[T-Rock]

What is so wrong about - "ein böses Erwachen" - in America, regarding the serious global threat we're facing

Free people shouldn’t be kowtowed by an "evil" ideology hell-bent on destroying the kufar and deceiving the public regarding the true nature of what sharia entails

The Politically Correct bunch IMO are criminally complicit in making the populace complacent and furthering the work of the Islamists.

Do we or should we continue to live in a perpetual state of "Hudna" - Jihad is immutable

[olhamada]

Originally Posted by rltipton

How are we so different from them? You honestly do not get it?

It's very simple.

It is a radical religious movement that teaches Islam or death and that infidels must convert or be killed or enslaved. Go read it yourself. Do you think the "honor killings" in the news lately are anything new? Hardly. These people, I will remind you, are the ones who recently reached through the windows of a mosque and grabbed women and children by the hair and pulled them up then shot them in the heads, tossed hand grenades into the building full of people, then blew themselves up to kill a few more on their way out. You WILL not, CANNOT reason with them, period. Their belief system and sense of duty in martydom far surpasses any zeal you have witnessed, I assure you...hello, suicide bombers?

--versus--

Self preservation against something that can only be stopped in one way, period.

I lived with them, as have many others here. They aren't going to bend or budge. They have made their goal of global domination openly clear and the world continues to go about their business hoping the crazy guys yelling allah ahkbar will go away. It simply isn't going to happen. They aren't going to let up or stop. If we pull out of A'stan before the job is done RIGHT (not to mention if Obama opens our borders to all like he wants to and gives them open access to our country) then you can bet your ass we will be having random IED strikes here in the good old US of A, then what? Oh man you know it will hit the fan. This country will shut down.

You fence-straddlers, wanna-be politically correct, want to be all-accepting, or just plain wanna-be buddies with muslim types can sing the praises of the "hug 'em to death" crowd all you want. You can say that me and those who think like me are radical right wingers (which is very far from the truth) because you have nothing else to label us as, or did not until the term "Islamophobe" was invented... Say what you will. I'm not blinded by the bullshit of the MSM because I was there.

Until you open your eyes and stop trying to be nice and not piss off the muslims, who by the way are already pissed off and they want to acquire weapons of mass destruction and employ them in the USA to kill every man, woman, and child to remove our seed from the planet forever...and they have openly stated such... until you stop being afraid to call a spade a spade and be honest and if it pisses someone off then f*** em, then they will continue to kill us, plan to kill us, and openly state their plans to kill us and wipe us off the earth. Getting it? THEY say this stuff themselves, nobody is making it up!

You really do not see the difference? It has been staring you in the face for a great many years now...since 1983 at least. Go live with them and learn their culture and beliefs, then come back with facts instead of "I think..." or "I really feel that..." That's horseshit. You can "feel" or "think" whatever you want to. I am telling you what I KNOW.

There is 1 way, and it happens to be the same thing that they intend to do, but the reasons are vastly different...same means to a different end. They chose it to be this way, not us. The longer we deny the truth and commit to doing the ugly task that is necessary for the simple purpose of self-preservation (which is still in the Constitution by the way), the stronger they grow and the more difficult it will be to accomplish the task.

Again, I'm right there with you when it comes to Islam and their culture of death and domination, BUT genocide and the extermination of 1.5 Billion people as you are advocating is not the answer.

Please don't go off on a couple of words, but read the whole post. The sentence was, "If we take this approach (ie - extermination of 1.5 Billion), what makes us any different than them?".

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by olhamada

Again, I'm right there with you when it comes to Islam and their culture of death and domination, BUT genocide and the extermination of 1.5 Billion people as you are advocating is not the answer.

Please don't go off on a couple of words, but read the whole post. The sentence was, "If we take this approach (ie - extermination of 1.5 Billion), what makes us any different than them?".

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They initiate, we finish.