Obama's Grandma in Mecca for 'Hajj'

Originally Posted by Pete

So we have conflicting stories from Feb & Mar 2008. One she's a non-practicing Muslim and the other she is a Christian.

In 2009 she toddles off to Mecca.

Or are there two Sarah Obama the Grandmother?

I wonder what else the MSM is trying to keep under cover

Try to find all those speeches he made in Kenya while a sitting US Senator, and stumping for his cousin in Kenya instead of representing his constituents.

He clearly stated he was a Kenyan and Kenya was his country. They seemed to just sorta disappear during the campaign. I was not thrilled to read the speeches on yahoo at the time.

[CoLawman]

I'm confused how can she be the step-grandmother of BO if she is the mother to his father?

Originally Posted by Paslode

WSJ

Time

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717590,00.html



Based on the old Time report, it is Granny Sarah, his step-Grandmother. The blogs including WND appear to confirm that it is Sarah. And it appears she has become a practicing Muslim again.

[deepblack 18x]

The guy is just a liar. It's sad that the POTUS is a piece of shit liar.

[6.8SPC_DUMP]

Originally Posted by CoLawman

I'm confused how can she be the step-grandmother of BO if she is the mother to his father?

She's either the 2nd or 3rd wife of his grandfather, depending which article you read, I think 3rd. There's no blood relation. I don't know why more of the interviews of her aren't floating around w/ all the attention she got from press.

Obama's grandma slams 'untruths'
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...bama-kin_N.htm

AP 3/05/2008
By Katharine Houreld,
Associated Press

"In the world of today, children have different religions from their parents," she said. She, too, is a Christian.

For Ms. Houreld to know so much about her but then say she is Christian - without quoting her is beyond me. Sarah Obama hasn't said she was Christian that I've seen. The AP picked it up and USA Today published it both w/o fact checking I guess...

5 days later USA Today published a retraction:

KOGELO, Kenya (AP) — In a March 5 story about the Kenyan family of U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, The Associated Press reported erroneously that his step-grandmother is a Christian. She is a Muslim, according to the family.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...46486469_x.htm

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by CoLawman

I'm confused how can she be the step-grandmother of BO if she is the mother to his father?

Nice piece here to review:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...bama-kin_N.htm

Obama’s grandfather had converted to Islam from Roman Catholicism and taken the name Hussein, Sarah Obama said, but his children had inherited only the name, not the religion. Each person should be able to choose how they worshipped, she said.

“In the world of today, children have different religions from their parents,” she said. She, too, is a Christian.

And this earlier from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us...pagewanted=all

“I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith,” Ms. Obama, 85, said in a recent interview in Kenya.

Yep. Obama has a track record of confusion ( dare I say deception)..... relationships Ayers, Rev. Wright, campaign promises, place of birth etc. The man is a chameleon.

It is more apparent by the day what we are dealing with. But because there are so many stories with inconsistent and conflicting information it is still difficult to say who he is, where he came from and what he 'truly' stands for.

I liken it to running 3 sets of financial books.

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by deepblack 18x

The guy is just a liar. It's sad that the POTUS is a piece of shit liar.

He is a Politician so why are you surprised?

[Warrior-Mentor]

We're used to politicians lying (or changing positions) based on the evolving circumstances...

We're not used to Politicians lying about WHO THEY ARE.

[kimberly]

Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor

We're used to politicians lying (or changing positions) based on the evolving circumstances...

We're not used to Politicians lying about WHO THEY ARE.

Exactly, and what is most disturbing is that he is pushing his Islamic agenda so hard.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by kimberly

Exactly, and what is most disturbing is that he is pushing his Islamic agenda so hard.

It appears to me there are multiple agendas or distractions, but at this point it is difficult to discern what the intended end result is. My question is who are the circling vultures? The loan sharks in China and/or The Saudis? Or is it the crazed Lefties? Socialism, Sharia Law or Picturesque Green Pasture vacant of humans.

Banking, the Auto Industry and the economy have all been drawn and quartered. Heath Care is now in their sights. Proposed Cap & Trade. Civilian trials for terrorists. Who knows what else in store that might be veiled in a 2000+ Bait & Switch reform bill.

In the end we may have a carcass that looks like the Good Ole USA, but is empty of the contents that made it live and breath.



If there is any humor in this disembowelment, it is that those that eat from O's Troth of Promise appear to end up being served at the feast.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by deepblack 18x

The guy is just a liar. It's sad that the POTUS is a piece of shit liar.

Respect the office, if not the man.

Make any substantive comments you wish, keep the profanity out of it.

TR

[T-Rock]

It appears to me there are multiple agendas or distractions, but at this point it is difficult to discern what the intended end result is.

Could it be as David Horowitz suggests

The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

The field would surely be ripe for “Change” - never let a good crisis go to waste…

I thought the following article was very thought provoking - written by a former White House staff economist and budget analyst:

It is time to cast aside all remaining doubt. President Obama is not trying to lead America forward to recovery, prosperity and strength. Quite the opposite, in fact.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/...overnment.html

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Could it be as David Horowitz suggests


The field would surely be ripe for “Change” - never let a good crisis go to waste…

I thought the following article was very thought provoking - written by a former White House staff economist and budget analyst:


http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/...overnment.html

Good article. We'll have to wait to see if it is as simple as politicians who are trying to attain indefinite power for personal and party gain.


Whatever it is, it ain't good.

[Irishsquid]

Originally Posted by dirtyshirt

please,correct me if I get this wrong....

In Islam,it is O.K. to lie, as long as that lie furthers the cause of Islam,and/or as long as you are lying to a unbeliever,or lying to further the "Jihad".

So since the only lies were to the American (non muslim) people,and since it furtherd whomever's agenda,of getting Barry (who we will all find out shortly really IS a practicing Muslim I will bet)elected to the most powerful position available in the United States...

nah. Maybe we ALL heard them wrong. Yeah,thats what it is.

You are correct, and I believe the word for that is "Taqqiyah."

[Warrior-Mentor]

Originally Posted by Irishsquid

You are correct, and I believe the word for that is "Taqqiyah."

...and remember taqiyya's evil twin sister, "kitman".

Taqiyya and Kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic Terrorism
Reader comment on item: Islamists, Get Out
Submitted by Donald Hudson (Singapore),
Sep 1, 2005

Tradecraft. Persona. Deception. Disinformation. Cover: Western operational terms and techniques. But, Islamic terrorists have their own terms: taqiyya (pronounced tak-e-ya) : precautionary dissimulation or deception and keeping one's convictions secret and a synonymous term, kitman: mental reservation and dissimulation or concealment of malevolent intentions...

Taqiyya and kitman or ‘holy hypocrisy' has been diffused throughout Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against Sunni unbelievers. As the Prophet said: 'he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.'

The skilful use of taqiyya and kitman was often a matter of life and death against enemies; it is also a matter of life and death to many contemporary Islamic terrorists. As so often in the history of Islam, a theological doctrine became operational.

During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water'. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ' to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy'.
According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya against the unbelievers is regarded as a virtue and a religious duty.

Like many Islamic concepts taqiyya and kitman were formed within the context of the Arab-Islamic matrix of tribalism, expansionary warfare and conflict. Taqiyya has been used by Muslims since the 7th century to confuse and split 'the enemy'. A favored tactic was ‘deceptive triangulation'; to persuade the enemy that jihad was not aimed at them but at another enemy. Another tactic was to deny that there was jihad at all. The fate for such faulty assessments by the target was death.

SOURCE:
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/25320

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Paslode

In the end we may have a carcass that looks like the Good Ole USA, but is empty of the contents that made it live and breath.

I have no "links" to back this up, but if I may suggest...In the "end" we may indeed be looking at a carcass of what America was once, but let me assure you of one thing, the contents that made it live and breathe are still residing within its walls, and will not bow to tyranny or persecution brought on by our federal government!

For there is a majority 'round these parts that favor Our Constition, and its rights! Those rights were paid for in blood though our veterans fighing wars throughout the generations. Their blood was/will not be spilled in vain, IMHO.

Holly