05-08-2009, 18:57
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05-08-2009, 19:12
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05-08-2009, 20:11
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You have his back? 
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05-08-2009, 20:35
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I think he is shy
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07-29-2009, 20:23
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Originally Posted by paulkoko
Here is my problem with this SF forum. You have guys that will bust Dalton Fury's balls but will not say a thing about General Boykin who wrote a book, who named names and ops and violated OPSEC to the max. This double standard is BS. He is making a profit of selling secrets like Cheney did.
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I would add that it's a known fact that General Boykin has been PNG'd for that.
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07-30-2009, 06:59
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.... Beckwith did it ....
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TR, an historical note. I travelled to Tampa after Rogue Warrior came out and during our discussion of COAs I raised that point. I was corrected. The Colonel required everybody there to sign an NDA but none was ever found on file for him.
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07-30-2009, 08:17
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TR, an historical note. I travelled to Tampa after Rogue Warrior came out and during our discussion of COAs I raised that point. I was corrected. The Colonel required everybody there to sign an NDA but none was ever found on file for him.
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Phil:
Well, that makes it okay, doesn't it. 
As a soldier, that would really bother me. Leadership by example.
TR
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07-30-2009, 09:12
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TR,
No Sir, it doesn't and IMO 18 USC 798 (and 793) is still applicable.
I am sorry if my noting a bit of history caused offense. No offense was intended.
As all who have (read) and signed the NDAs know they serve as a requirement to get cleared and to allow civil recovery of the profits . It is hoped that by taking away the ill gotten gains, they remove the incentive to publish that which shouldn;t. Sadly, neither the criminal nor the civil remedies are pursued not because of DoD, but because US DoJ is in charge of litigation.
IMHO all are correct to be concerned about the potential harm to our brothers when this stuff gets out in the public domain.
My reference to the lack of an NDA w/ the deceased Colonel was in fact, recognized as an existing fault in the system and that fault was then corrected.
Again, my remark was not intended to slight any portion of this valuable discussion and to you I say 'I am sorry". I remain,
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07-30-2009, 09:19
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TR,
No Sir, it doesn't and IMO 18 USC 798 (and 793) is still applicable.
I am sorry if my noting a bit of history caused offense. No offense was intended.
As all who have (read) and signed the NDAs know they serve as a requirement to get cleared and to allow civil recovery of the profits . It is hoped that by taking away the ill gotten gains, they remove the incentive to publish that which shouldn;t. Sadly, neither the criminal nor the civil remedies are pursued not because of DoD, but because US DoJ is in charge of litigation.
IMHO all are correct to be concerned about the potential harm to our brothers when this stuff gets out in the public domain.
My reference to the lack of an NDA w/ the deceased Colonel was in fact, recognized as an existing fault in the system and that fault was then corrected.
Again, my remark was not intended to slight any portion of this valuable discussion and to you I say 'I am sorry". I remain,
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Phil:
My apologies to you, we are talking past one another, which is one of the issues with the internet.
I understood your point, and was commenting on a commander requiring his subordinates to comply with a policy which he appears to have ignored.
No need to apologize, no harm, no foul.
TR
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07-30-2009, 09:57
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JAGO - is this "Uncle Phil"?
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07-30-2009, 13:16
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Yup
Jim - it is I
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08-22-2009, 06:07
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Just a link..
Would like to point out that "mr. Fury" had a text out a Abu Muqawama the other day, at http://www.cnas.org/blogs/abumuqawam...y-killing.html
Key quote:
"What if we offered men on death row the opportunity of a lifetime? What if we spent a year or so training them to execute a covert assassination suicide mission? A mission with no exfil phase. What about recruiting convicted killers in the Middle East who see little value in life, and whose life is short as is, and offer them the Rocky Balboa opportunity of the global war on terror?
Recruiting ex-patriot or disenfranchised, poor, and destitute Saudi's, Yemenis, Pakistanis, Iraqis, Somalis, etc. to do the deed with an iron clad contract that their surviving families would get a guaranteed passage to the US, US citizenship, a seat in the Federal Witness Protection program and a fat bank account would likely net some great candidates."
Thought this might be of interest to the SF community...
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08-22-2009, 06:35
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Would like to point out that "mr. Fury" had a text out a Abu Muqawama the other day, at http://www.cnas.org/blogs/abumuqawam...y-killing.html
Key quote:
"What if we offered men on death row the opportunity of a lifetime? What if we spent a year or so training them to execute a covert assassination suicide mission? A mission with no exfil phase. What about recruiting convicted killers in the Middle East who see little value in life, and whose life is short as is, and offer them the Rocky Balboa opportunity of the global war on terror?
Recruiting ex-patriot or disenfranchised, poor, and destitute Saudi's, Yemenis, Pakistanis, Iraqis, Somalis, etc. to do the deed with an iron clad contract that their surviving families would get a guaranteed passage to the US, US citizenship, a seat in the Federal Witness Protection program and a fat bank account would likely net some great candidates."
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Do you think Lee Marvin and Jim Brown would be interested?
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08-22-2009, 06:52
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Dirty Dozen?
Dozer 523: Dont know about the dirty dozen in the US, could perhaps be something for arabic/pashtun patriots in US supermax/death row for purely non-political crimes.. Wich I would suggest is quite possibly a very small minority.
Im sure variants of Sarqawi would find it very interesting indeed. Great chance for folks in Yemen.
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08-22-2009, 06:56
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Do you think Lee Marvin and Jim Brown would be interested?
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Dpn't forget Charles Bronson and Telly Savalas from the original line-up of the Dirty Dozen.
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