Deadliest warrior. - Page 5

lonepine · 06-18-2009, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Do you mean the Alamo Scouts? They were actually awarded the Special Forces Tab in the 1980's. A local guy from here, now dead, was the Lead Alamo Scout on the Cabutuan (sp?) POW raid.

Yes, sorry, that's it. I must have gotten the names confused because they kept talking about the Alamo Scouts working in tandem with the Rangers during said Cabatuan raid.

abc_123 · 06-18-2009, 20:20

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Originally Posted by lonepine

Yes, sorry, that's it. I must have gotten the names confused because they kept talking about the Alamo Scouts working in tandem with the Rangers during said Cabatuan raid.

Hey Cadet, I've ever heard about the "Cabatuan" raid. Do a little research and tell us about it. Cover the 5w's. 1-2 pages (in MS Word) should be sufficient. Make sure you site your sources. Use APA formatting. Post it so we can all learn.

I'm not joking. Think of me as your ROTC instructor. This is a followup to the Sitational Awareness lesson that we talked about via PM. Remember?

Post again before completing this assignment and I'll make a personal recommendation to the Team Sergeant to make sure that you don't post again... ever.

Just so you know that I'm not uncaring...I'll be happy to review your paper before you post it. PM me and I'll review.

Do not embarass me further.

abc

Richard · 06-19-2009, 04:29

Cabanatuan - there's an excellent historical study put out by the CAC at FLW on the raid.

FWIW - I knew two Alamo Scouts in Group - Pappy Kittleson - our Group CSM in the 7th in the early 70s - and COL Charlie Norton - the JFKCENMA CofS for a hell of a long time.

Richard's $.02

greenberetTFS · 06-19-2009, 05:44

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Originally Posted by Richard

Cabanatuan - there's an excellent historical study put out by the CAC at FLW on the raid.

FWIW - I knew two Alamo Scouts in Group - Pappy Kittleson - our Group CSM in the 7th in the early 70s - and COL Charlie Norton - the JFKCENMA CofS for a hell of a long time.

Richard's $.02

Richard ,

Were the guys given the SF tab or did they earn it by going through SFQC?

Brush Oakie, claims they were given their tabs in 1980 for what they did in WW2.

Big Teddy

Richard · 06-19-2009, 06:08

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Were the guys given the SF tab or did they earn it by going through SFQC?

Brush Oakie, claims they were given their tabs in 1980 for what they did in WW2.

Guys like Pappy and Norton were long time SFers - Alamo Scouts who weren't in SF were awarded the tabs just like the old Rangers were awarded their tabs for having undergone Ranger training while serving in a Ranger unit (often in combat) vs having gone through the 'official' Ranger school (which wasn't even in existance at the time many of them served in Ranger units).

Clear as mud, huh.

Richard's $.02

**Razor** · 06-19-2009, 09:19

GB_TFS,

There is specific former wartime service that can qualify one for the SF tab. The following is excerpted from The Institute of Heraldry's website:

e. Former wartime service. The Special Forces Tab may be awarded retroactively to all personnel who performed the following wartime service:

(1) 1942 through 1973. Served with a Special Forces unit during wartime and were either unable to or not required to attend a formal program of instruction but were awarded SQI “S”, “3”, “5G” by competent authority.

(2) Prior to 1954. Service for at least 120 consecutive days in one of the following organizations:

a. 1st Special Service Force, August 1942 to December 1944.

b. OSS Detachment 101, April 1942 to September 1945.

c. OSS Jedburgh Detachments, May 1944 to May 1945.

d. OSS Operational Groups, May 1944 to May 1945.

e. OSS Maritime Unit, April 1942 to September 1945.

f. 6th Army Special Reconnaissance Unit (Alamo Scouts), February 1944 to September 1945.

g. 8240th Army Unit, June 1950 to July 1953.

(3) 1954 through 1975. Any company grade officer or enlisted member awarded the CIB or CMB while serving for at least 120 consecutive days in one of the following type organizations:

a. SF Operational Detachment-A (A-Team).

b. Mobile Strike Force.

c. SF Reconnaissance Team.

d. SF Special Project Unit.

While I was in the Q Course, my classmates and I had the honor of attending the presentation of the SF tab to COL (ret.) Ben Malcolm (author of White Tigers, an interesting read) for his work with partisans during the Korean War while assigned to the 8240th.