Police: Man said 30,000 bullets were for target practice

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Smokin Joe

I agree with Monster Hunter, strange things are a foot in Haverhill. Either this guy has some seriously articulable terrorist organizational ties or his rights have been violated like no other.

It would be interesting to know if the DoJ has made a decision to go after bad guys over firearms and ammunition and is tipping off local news outlets on the arrests. This approach would further propagate the public perception that more gun control is necessary. This approach could thus serve to drive a wedge between LEOs and civilians concerned about their civil rights.

This approach would also allow the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and its residents to avoid asking some tough questions about the presence of organized crime in that state.

Or maybe the reporter was being lazy.

[Defender968]

Originally Posted by BigJimCalhoun

Another important question is where can someone buy 30k, or 10k of ammo today? Most places online are sold out and here in Colorado, most of the stores are out of .223, 7.62, 22, 9, 38, 357 and 45. You can get some 270WSM or something like that though.

I grew up a few towns away from Haverhill (prounced hAv-rill by the locals). Maybe he found a Wal-Mart in NH that still had ammo.

While Wal-Mart is out nearly everywhere there are still places you can buy in bulk, like gun stores, I was at one this weekend that had at least 10K in 7.62x39 and close to that in 7.62x51, though you'd need a truck to haul it all. Wish I had the cash I'd buy 5k of each right now.

But as others have said 10K in 22 LR, 38, or 9mm really isn't that much.

[monsterhunter]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

It would be interesting to know if the DoJ has made a decision to go after bad guys over firearms and ammunition and is tipping off local news outlets on the arrests. This approach would further propagate the public perception that more gun control is necessary. This approach could thus serve to drive a wedge between LEOs and civilians concerned about their civil rights.

This approach would also allow the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and its residents to avoid asking some tough questions about the presence of organized crime in that state.

Or maybe the reporter was being lazy.

A lot of us in LE worry about that as well. We also worry about what's going on for ourselves. Most of us have are own guns which are being put in jeapordy by law makers who know nothing about impacting crime. It's only the innocent who will suffer. But you are right Sigaba, they are sure puting us in a very difficult position.

[HOLLiS]

Originally Posted by Defender968

While Wal-Mart is out nearly everywhere there are still places you can buy in bulk, like gun stores, I was at one this weekend that had at least 10K in 7.62x39 and close to that in 7.62x51, though you'd need a truck to haul it all. Wish I had the cash I'd buy 5k of each right now.

But as others have said 10K in 22 LR, 38, or 9mm really isn't that much.

Back in the 90's with the ban on "black rifles", I decided to try to keep about a 5 year supply on hand, in terms of loaded and reloading components. Then when one figures out how many rounds that is, 10K is not unusual. One of the problem in our society, people like to tell other people how to live. Even gun owners do that and in certain instances they help the anti-gun nuts. Example is, "He don't need that _______ for hunting." As if hunting should be the only reason/use for a firearm.

Also I would like to blame the Wall Street Journal on this issue. There was a article about firearms and ammo being a very good investment today.

I bought a brick of .22LR on sale for $7.00, it now sells for $30.00. Where else can a person get this kind of ROI?

Originally Posted by HOLLiS

Back in the 90's with the ban on "black rifles", I decided to try to keep about a 5 year supply on hand, in terms of loaded and reloading components. Then when one figures out how many rounds that is, 10K is not unusual. One of the problem in our society, people like to tell other people how to live. Even gun owners do that and in certain instances they help the anti-gun nuts. Example is, "He don't need that _______ for hunting." As if hunting should be the only reason/use for a firearm.

Also I would like to blame the Wall Street Journal on this issue. There was a article about firearms and ammo being a very good investment today.

I bought a brick of .22LR on sale for $7.00, it now sells for $30.00. Where else can a person get this kind of ROI?

I think you hit the nail on the head. My 90 yr old mom, each month when her 'checks' come in.. she hits the gun store and gets her "Hi Miss Daisy, you want your usual?" dealer actually sets aside a 2 boxes of each for her guns and mine that she keeps for me.. She casually mentioned to her neighbor in her very exclusive enclave that she had both guns and LOTS Of ammo. The poor woman nearly had a cow and told mom, " well _I_ would not have guns and I don't think you should either. " What gives anyone the right to tell ME or my mom what to do. Same woman called me gun toting hippy a few weeks back. She got that from the NRA and Peace sign stickers on my back window. Hey, that might be an improvement over what my son called me online to his gaming friends.. a 'right wing hippy'. Is there such an animal.. lmao..

There will always be those who think they have some sort of god given right to inform their neighbors that the only opinion that matters is their's and they will always seek to put their opinions, ideas, an agendas down someone else's throat.. I believe we call them politicians.. YMMV.
Fair Winds..

[grog18b]

I've never really counted my ammo... I figure, if I run out, I can reload or buy more. Now and again I get to Gander Mtn to buy a brick of 22, or pick up some other stuff. Ammo prices have gone sky high since I last bought any. I know I have "enough" ammo. Of course... My definition of "enough" might vary greatly from someone else's definition of "enough".

I've never believed that one person has any "right" to tell another how to, or how not to, exercise a right. Apparently, you right wing hippies, draw those people like flies.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by monsterhunter

A lot of us in LE worry about that as well. We also worry about what's going on for ourselves. Most of us have are own guns which are being put in jeapordy by law makers who know nothing about impacting crime. It's only the innocent who will suffer. But you are right Sigaba, they are sure puting us in a very difficult position.

Monsterhunter--

My take is that long before law enforcement officers have to make an agonizing choice between duty and conscience, the friction over a wedge approach may lead to a political parting of ways over the prioritization of law and order and civil rights.

A point that may be lost as the debates become more heated is that you cannot have one without the other.

Such a political schism would lead to a reevaluation of cultural sensibilities. And cultural change is, IMHO, the end-state that proponents of the far left of center agenda have in mind. The ideal goal isn't to take away guns. The goal is for gun owners to want to turn in their weapons.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Monsterhunter--
The ideal goal isn't to take away guns. The goal is for gun owners to want to turn in their weapons.

So a want could be either a desire or need. As in the desire to say do something for the better good. Or a need, and you trade in this instance a weapon for something that is a nesscessity such as food, water, shelter, a job or a discount coupon for a mandated electric car.

[Smokin Joe]

nevermind...

From my experience, there are only 5 ways to earn big dollars,...

1. Drugs
2. Racketeering
3. Guns
4. Prostitution

and

5. Telecom Construction

And you can go to jail for all of them.


WD

Originally Posted by HOLLiS

I bought a brick of .22LR on sale for $7.00, it now sells for $30.00. Where else can a person get this kind of ROI?

[Utah Bob]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Monsterhunter--

My take is that long before law enforcement officers have to make an agonizing choice between duty and conscience, the friction over a wedge approach may lead to a political parting of ways over the prioritization of law and order and civil rights.

A point that may be lost as the debates become more heated is that you cannot have one without the other.

Such a political schism would lead to a reevaluation of cultural sensibilities. And cultural change is, IMHO, the end-state that proponents of the far left of center agenda have in mind. The ideal goal isn't to take away guns. The goal is for gun owners to want to turn in their weapons.

Remember the gun confiscation that went on in NO after Katrina? Just declare an emergency and the government can justfy anything.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by Utah Bob

Remember the gun confiscation that went on in NO after Katrina? Just declare an emergency and the government can justfy anything.

Not anymore. The 2007 ammendment of the Stafford Act specifically prohibits temporary or permanent confiscation of firearms. Unfortunately, due to the unfounded criticism and lies following the federal response to Katrina, the ammendment also includes authority for proactive "accelerated" fed assistance that goes beyond simple staging, and allows deployment of assets to the impacted area without a state request.

[swpa19]

The 2007 ammendment of the Stafford Act specifically prohibits temporary or permanent confiscation of firearms.

IMHO Its who is interpretating the act. Look at the Logan act, it was enacted in 1799 and updated in 1948 and again in 1994. The Dims have completely ignored it.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Paslode

So a want could be either a desire or need. As in the desire to say do something for the better good. Or a need, and you trade in this instance a weapon for something that is a necessity such as food, water, shelter, a job or a discount coupon for a mandated electric car.

Or along those same lines, some form of medical treatment made possible by research performed on stem cells harvested from human embryos.

To be clear, ultimately the change they want is for us to change our beliefs so that we agree that they know what is best for us.

In my view, this is not consensus they're trying to build but rather hegemony.

[Fiercely Loyal]

And here we go. I do not want to armchair this guys charges but it seems to me that the fella was legit. I would hate to have my wife pulled over and have a bunch of ammo I got in a trade or asked her to purchase for me and have the article read ".223 is like gold in Canada". Making her out to be a criminal because she is not yet a US citizen.