10-07-2008, 20:13
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Originally Posted by jennysman1210
So can anybody tell me how hard it is to get a waiver ? Thank you for your time.
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What does it matter? You are either up to the task or you are not. The difficulty of obtaining a waiver is not important if you are serious about going back to SFAS. You are beating this topic to death from a couple different directions.
Its time for you to do, or not, but stop asking questions in hopes that one of us will tell you what you want to hear. It just isnt going to happen.
Furthermore, if I were in your shoes and had received an NTR and during my out-processing brief I was told why I was NTR'd I would damn sure remember so I could adjust my fire in hopes of returning... Honestly, something just isnt adding up for me with your story.
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10-07-2008, 20:30
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Originally Posted by Surgicalcric
What does it matter? You are either up to the task or you are not. The difficulty of obtaining a waiver is not important if you are serious about going back to SFAS. You are beating this topic to death from a couple different directions.
Its time for you to do, or not, but stop asking questions in hopes that one of us will tell you what you want to hear. It just isnt going to happen.
Furthermore, if I were in your shoes and had received an NTR and during my out-processing brief I was told why I was NTR'd I would damn sure remember so I could adjust my fire in hopes of returning... Honestly, something just isnt adding up for me with your story.
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I am with Crip/TR/etc X10
I have been following this thread and you know you seam to be looking for some one to say something that we are not. You are not going to get the big hug and We feel sorry for you and you should get back in. Here is what you will get. 
1. VR - You quit, no matter for what reason. If you were hurt you should have driven on until you were medically sat down by the staff.
2. NTR - You were briefed and told why you got this. Not remembering does not fly. 
3. Getting a waiver - You have been told that there is a process and if you really had the drive to go back this thread would have stopped back on the 4th of Oct 08.
Reach down and either grab your $#'s and belly up to the bar or quit looking for sympathy and drive on in your current unit.
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10-11-2008, 11:18
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[QUOTE=jennysman1210;228026]Can I still be selected when I already have a vw and a NTR on my record plus being there on a waiver? QUOTE]
If this makes you feel better, in my class we had a huge number of guys returning to SFAS and about 75% of them were selected. Not to say that you will the second time around or that it happens that way. But like all the QP's say, not to sound like a broken record, you have to really want it for yourself. Put that waiver in if you really want it and if you dont get selected at the end, at least you will feel better about yourself. Learn better ways to take care of your body out there so you don't worry about the little things. Just some friendly advise.
R.King, there is only two folks that post on the "Special Forces Questions", the person asking the question and Special Forces soldiers answering. Get it? Team Sergeant
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10-12-2008, 09:30
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Team Sergeant,
Got it.
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10-12-2008, 10:08
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IMO, once a person rationalizes quitting something once, it becomes easier for them to justify doing it again. Defecate or quit squatting over the cat hole. Your choice. I make mine and live with them.
Richard's $.02 
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10-13-2008, 21:35
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Don't be quick to judge. My best friend from SF recycled four times in Phase I back in the old days. Was he any good? Does 15 SOG missions into Laos and North Vietnam Count? You just never know when some one is going to figure it out...
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10-14-2008, 08:09
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Originally Posted by mark46th
Don't be quick to judge. My best friend from SF recycled four times in Phase I back in the old days. Was he any good? Does 15 SOG missions into Laos and North Vietnam Count? You just never know when some one is going to figure it out...
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Perhaps because I was recycled (05B to 11B/C), I see a big difference in the two situations.
(Your best friend's last name didn't start with a "T" did it? I was at Mackall with a guy who was then on his second or third recycle - and got recycled from our class.)
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10-14-2008, 10:26
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Originally Posted by ZonieDiver
Perhaps because I was recycled (05B to 11B/C), I see a big difference in the two situations.
(Your best friend's last name didn't start with a "T" did it? I was at Mackall with a guy who was then on his second or third recycle - and got recycled from our class.)
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We had a guy that graduated with me that had been recycled 2 times in phase I, 2 times in phase II and 1 time in phase III. He turned out to be a TURD in Group.
It all depends on the person.
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10-14-2008, 11:08
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Originally Posted by mark46th
Don't be quick to judge. My best friend from SF recycled four times in Phase I back in the old days. Was he any good? Does 15 SOG missions into Laos and North Vietnam Count? You just never know when some one is going to figure it out...
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Recycling is a big difference than QUITTING. Some good people recycle - quitters rarely if ever change their ways.
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10-15-2008, 14:28
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Originally Posted by koz
Recycling is a big difference than QUITTING. Some good people recycle - quitters rarely if ever change their ways.
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I think that's generally true - and frankly, in this case, I'd feel a lot better about the original poster if his question was "can someone help me with the best way to explain how stupid I was to quit" instead of "how hard is it to get a waiver?" If he's not willing to take a few hours out of his life to write the damn thing and submit it without testing the water first, then how likely is he to stay with the training . . .?
On the other hand, what if someone realizes that they genuinely made a mistake, and does some serious soul-searching, and wants to go back? Can someone rehabilitate themselves by getting selected on the second go-round? (I'd say that a second VW should equal a lifetime NTR.) If someone finished the training, would you be less comfortable with them on a team if you knew that they had VW'd selection the first time through?
I think we've sent some people back after a VW, but I don't know if any of them made it through the pipeline and came back to us, so I don't have a good feel for what the right answer is.
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10-15-2008, 16:54
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Originally Posted by HardRoad
I think we've sent some people back after a VW, but I don't know if any of them made it through the pipeline and came back to us, so I don't have a good feel for what the right answer is.
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In four years sitting on the SFAS boards, I can count the number of first time VWs who were NTRed without a very good reason on one hand. The past three years, you had to kill a cadre member's family to get NTRed.
There is a big piece of this story missing, and I agree, why whine about it and look for someone to help you out? Cowboy up and knock out the request for a waiver ASAP.
TR
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10-17-2008, 21:55
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Zonie-
No, first name starts with a G. I think he is a member here. Have to agree- file the waiver...
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04-27-2009, 21:07
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Waivers -
Do you Concur or Not Concur?
That's what the SGM will ask and he will contemplate your answer, but you must live with the answer.
Good Luck -
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Originally Posted by jennysman1210
NTR - Not To Return; you did something ugly enough to prevent you from being allowed to come back at a later time to try again
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This is not completely true because I did nothing ugly or wrong.[/QUOTE]
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04-28-2009, 17:13
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Originally Posted by SF_BHT
I am with Crip/TR/etc X10
I have been following this thread and you know you seam to be looking for some one to say something that we are not. You are not going to get the big hug and We feel sorry for you and you should get back in. Here is what you will get.
1. VR - You quit, no matter for what reason. If you were hurt you should have driven on until you were medically sat down by the staff.
2. NTR - You were briefed and told why you got this. Not remembering does not fly.
3. Getting a waiver - You have been told that there is a process and if you really had the drive to go back this thread would have stopped back on the 4th of Oct 08.
Reach down and either grab your $#'s and belly up to the bar or quit looking for sympathy and drive on in your current unit.
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jennysman1210,
I'll not repeat all the guys that have attempted to give you some solid advice.....  You keep beating that same drum over and over again. I went thru my training many years ago and if you quit than that was it...No VW,no NTR, you were out and that was it,it was over...... 
GB TFS
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04-28-2009, 19:15
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Why bother us?
jennysman1210, You had a chance like all the rest of us. we didn't quit you did. Join a Monestary or something less stressful. Find something you "CAN" do, uncross your foingrers and go for it. Manhood is out there somewhere ...find it. Crying in a beer isn't the same as whining. Blitzzz
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