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[JoeyB]

jj: what about black AND white socks with sandals?

[Bill Harsey]

Originally Posted by JoeyB

jj: what about black AND white socks with sandals?

You mean like these? http://www.western-supplies.com/imag...hite-socks.jpg

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Good info in thread. I am reading.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Bill Harsey

You mean like these? Good info in thread. I am reading.

Mr Bill has the right idea.. Cheaper than sun screen..

[JoeyB]

If there are ANY QP's that could look good in them socks...... I retired way to late or early.

On a serious reply though, I like Blitz ideas, the CD one is esp interesting and disturbing

Would any one consider taking or getting the same type of supplies (tier 1-2) like those listed in the "Be Preared" thread? Im thinking that would be a bit much to carry in thses scenarios.

[Defend]

This thread is the closest to my situation that I could find, so I hope you don't mind if I tack onto it. Here is my situation in general terms. If details will help with tailored advice, please PM me.

- Females living in Middle East
- Stalker (former friend of the females)
- Has taken the situation to a physically aggressive level

I happened to be in the right place at the right time to prevent a forced entry once (having a big bark certainly helps), but I can't exactly move in and provide 24 hour watch. Here's the security situation as it stands now:

- Police are aware of issue (promised a sub 5 minute response in the future)
- Females are fit, but not quite trained killers
- Obviously firearms are out of the question as the females are foreign
- There are neighbors in the same building, but they were of no help during the "situation"
- Likely that the stalker is armed (I believe he had a glass object with him before, but likely has access/authority to carry a firearm)

I was pleased to see that a good bit of what had been posted so far was what I was already doing for myself, and will be improvising/implementing a bit more of it for the girls, some of it perfect for the situation but not a complete solution.

The pepper straws are genius... maybe I'm just dense, but I had never thought of that. I was kicking myself for not stocking up on pepper spray pens to give to friends over here. Will be taking advantage of some local spices...

I use 550 cord as a keychain now, and was glad to have it and my 3 5/8 inches of 440 steel when it looked like I was about to get stuck up against an aggressor.

Working on forming some 550 into a quick release bracelet that a girl can wear discretely. If anybody has suggestions for that (or another material to use that is less bulky) please give input. A necklace from other material would be easier, but has its own problems. Any suggestions of hair accessories that could be used for defense (I've never had to think about hair accessories... lol)

I'm also going to be buying some new SIM cards from multiple providers, putting the essential emergency numbers in them, and loading with plenty of minutes to be carried as backups.

I already advised them to keep a ball point pen handy at all times. The girls saw the tools I whipped out of my bag/pockets/behind my belt (550/keys, knife, pen, hard bound book), but when dealing with a much stronger aggressor, I'm not sure what to arm them with that will be more beneficial than harmful. Maybe some of you with instruction experience can help me with that one.

I'm also looking for techniques to secure a thin door. Replacement isn't an option. Single deadbolt. Hollow. Cement walls. Tiny doorframe. My best idea so far is to drill into the cement and put brackets for a 2x4 to go across. Not sure whether to place it just above the handle, just below the handle, or to put one each at the 1/3 and 2/3 positions.

Another issue is escape. If it were me, I would get rappelling essentials and a stack of 2x4's bolted together that could be used as a hasty brace across the window (actually working on pulling that together for my own place). But without experience, I could see it turning into a nightmare (read 3 story fall) for them instead of a good escape route. Any recommendations on home build collapsing ladders? The way the building lays, there is a 2m x 2m opening in the center that all apartments have small windows looking into, giving an option of getting into a neighbors apartment below without being exposed to the outside. This layout is actually common here, and applicable in many situations.

Also, mobile situations. They are reliant on public transportation. This means taxi waits, walks to busier streets etc. He knows their schedules and therefore the creep has way too much opportunity to isolate them day or night. I know that this part has been covered before, but any suggestions tailored to the environment would be appreciated.

As far as legalities, there are a few issues involved. 1) The stalker has influence (PM for details) 2) I don't know the local laws. I've gotten many different stories on what you can and cannot do, what you can and cannot have, etc. Asking somebody who would actually know for sure would raise my profile - something I'm avoiding. 3) We're dealing with Arab Police... who (no offense intended to anybody) tend to be easily swayed at the sight of bank notes.

Thanks in advance for input.
-JD

JD, why don't your Friends just move to a different apt? It would help to stop the problem. In the case of a stalker with influence. It will only stop when someone is hurt or dead. Moving is a much simpler way to at least stop it short term or permanently.

If you look around you, there is an almost endless supply of weapons.. anything you can pick up and throw or hit with.

I carry a purse sized hair spray in my pocket all the time. Completely legal, spraying lacquer and alcohol into someones face is going to give me enough time to get away. A big purse can be a weapon. keys put between the fingers and used in a slashing manner to cut a face are good. barrettes opened up can be stabbed into the eyes.

If you are not squeamish, stick your finger(s) up there nose hard.. amazing reaction one can get..

Doors: you can try to put a board across the door, but if the wall is thin as well, they can probably kick the door in anyway. A wedge might be a way to reinforce the door..you know the chair under the door knob principle.

I know you are concerned for your Friends. Keep it to their level of comfort and experience. Will they be terrified or have the guts to Garrot someone. I doubt it.. remember the culture too and that woman are generally guilty even if they have done nothing wrong.

If they have to be out at night, don't let them walk down a sidewalk..walk in the middle of the street. daylight the edge of the sidewalk traffic side, not next to a building. Stay away from areas known to be haunts of their stalkers.
Don't bet on the cops being there any faster the next time than the first time.

I motion detectors when they are gone.. they make portable battery operated ones..

A lot of suggestions require seconds or minutes to implement, one may or may not have that kind of time... its one of the reasons I carry that hair spray and pretty much always have something with a pocket that I can hide, keys or hair spray. There can be no argument that hair spray is not legal and no a preplanned defensive weapon. another neat trick is my little led duck.. blind the sucker (and they get to hear quack, quack) bright light in the eyes, even in daylight is disorienting for a second or two.. all you need to get away and start running.. tell them to carry nothing in a pack or purse that they cannot throw away..and run.. Id, money,keys, in the pockets or a small change purse that fits in a pocket.. and I carry them separate always from my purse.

If I can help, pm me..
AM

[LibraryLady]

Aside from all the other types of SD already discussed, I'm personally sold on the flashlight. Prefereably with strobe capabilities.

Just bought one of these for myself. The strobe is quite nauseating and the bevel is meatier than the one on my Surefire E2E, PS version.

I work in a place where a blade over 1 inch is considered a weapon, so the flashlights are my choice to carry at work and to/from work.

LL

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Defend

- Females living in Middle East
- Stalker (former friend of the females)
- Has taken the situation to a physically aggressive level
.......
- Likely that the stalker is armed (I believe he had a glass object with him before, but likely has access/authority to carry a firearm)
.......
1) The stalker has influence
........
3) We're dealing with Arab Police... who (no offense intended to anybody) tend to be easily swayed at the sight of bank notes.

JD

I cut out the chatter. Read the above again, slowly.

Pete