Are Libertarians Terrorists?

[HOLLiS]

Is there any independent verification that this is happening?

I am out of the loop, but I do know a Sheriff and two chief of police, something does not sound right. I can also ask a friend in ATF, but with previous conversations, I can probably guess the answer.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by HOLLiS

Is there any independent verification that this is happening?

I am out of the loop, but I do know a Sheriff and two chief of police, something does not sound right. I can also ask a friend in ATF, but with previous conversations, I can probably guess the answer.

The MIAC report is real, Missouri's Govenor Jay Nixon even acknowledged it and endorsed it. Missouri has more pressing issues than the Militias....just visit East St Louis, Kansas City, MO or watch the SWAT Channel and you can see for yourself.

There are a couple question that might be worthy of pondering. 1. Did Alex Jones blow this out of proportion? 2. Are Ron Paul stickers, Pocket Constitutions, Flags anymmore more radical than folks that run around with ACORN and Obama paraphernalia beating on your door to sign your allegence to Obama's Energy Plan?

In all honesty, I would take a Ron Paul supporting, Pocket Constitution carrying Militia Member over a Obama/ACORN Supporter as a neighbor any day.

[Sigaba]

Source is here.

Missouri Highway Patrol retracts controversial report on militia activity
By JASON NOBLE
The Star’s Jefferson City correspondent
Breaking News

JEFFERSON CITY | The Missouri Highway Patrol this week retracted a controversial report on militia activity and will change how such reports are reviewed before being distributed to law enforcement agencies.

The Highway Patrol also will open an investigation into the origin of the report, which linked conservative groups with domestic terrorism and named former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin.

The Highway Patrol’s announcement followed a news conference in which Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder, a Republican, suggested putting the director of public safety on administrative leave and investigating how the report was produced.

The uproar revolves around a report released last month by the Missouri Information Analysis Center, a “fusion center” for local, state and federal law enforcement agencies to collaborate on domestic security issues. The report concerned militia movements in Missouri and across the U.S., and described how they had evolved over the last several years.

But it suggested that domestic militias often subscribed to radical ideologies rooted in Christian views and opposition to immigration, abortion or federal taxes. The report also stated that it was “not uncommon” for militia members to support third-party political candidates.

The Highway Patrol’s superintendent, Col. James F. Keathley, released a memo saying the report did not meet the agency’s standard for quality and would not have been released if it had been seen by top officials.

“For that reason,” Keathley wrote, “I have ordered the MIAC to permanently cease distribution of the militia report.”

The memo noted the report was compiled by an employee of the information analysis center and reviewed only by the center director before being sent to law enforcement agencies across the state.

In the future, Keathley wrote, reports from the center will be reviewed by leaders of the Highway Patrol and the Department of Public Safety.

On Thursday, Gov. Jay Nixon, a Democrat, expressed support for Keathley’s order and distanced his administration from the process that allowed the report to be released.

“Under a previous system, MIAC would prepare and distribute these reports to law enforcement agencies without review or approval from the colonel of the Highway Patrol or the director of Public Safety,” Nixon said. “That’s simply not acceptable.”

Conservatives in Missouri and nationally have criticized the report for lumping people with conservative political views in with domestic terrorists and potentially opening them to harassment from law enforcement.

Before Keathley’s memo was released Wednesday, Kinder criticized the report for suggesting that only issues championed by conservatives motivated domestic terrorists. The report “slanders” opponents of abortion and critics of illegal immigration, he said.

“Under the guidance of the present director, who apparently must think it is Nixon’s secret service, the Department of Public Safety has taken on the new and sinister role of political profiling,” Kinder said.

Also troubling Kinder said, the report makes no mention of Islamic terrorists or those who might subscribe to ideologies associated with liberals, such as environmental radicals.

The state’s response to the conservative outcry over the report evolved over the last few weeks. In one early response, the information analysis center released a statement reaffirming its “regard for the Constitutions of the United States and Missouri” and expressing regret that “any citizens or groups were unintentionally offended by the content of the document.”

Then earlier this week, Department of Public Safety Director John M. Britt retracted the portions that noted third party and Republican presidential candidates by name and sent letters of apology to the politicians.

But even with the retraction and the investigation announced Wednesday, Britt should be suspended and the General Assembly should investigate how the report was prepared, Kinder said.

“Director Britt has still not answered any of the questions about what other reports may have been developed and the procedure behind these memos,” Kinder’s spokesman, Gary McElyea, said in a statement. “Until those questions are answered Mr. Britt should be placed on immediate leave.”

ZooKeeper and QP Pete--

Sirs, I hope that you two don't mind that I'm including another link to the report. This link provides the entire report in PDF format that may be a bit easier for members of ps.com to save. The link is here.

[ZooKeeper]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

ZooKeeper and QP Pete--

Sirs, I hope that you two don't mind that I'm including another link to the report. This link provides the entire report in PDF format that may be a bit easier for members of ps.com to save. The link is here.

Sigaba - thanks for posting the latest article. I hadn't seen/read it yet.

Also, thanks for posting the .pdf for my file.

[nmap]

I have to chuckle at reports like these. People call for all manner of profiling - but they simply do not have the resources to begin doing it. Often, part of the concept is monitoring of the internet, or of individual behavior.

Back when I was teaching classes, I would stand in front of 200 students and bring up the issue of such profiling and monitoring. The students would express various opinions on the issue. I would then go to Google and type in the term "CIA letter opener" which brought up various suppliers for an amusing plastic knife. I would then point out that plastic knives would not register on a metal detector, and would then ask whether people who brought such things up on the computer were dangerous and should they be monitored.

There were some good discussions...

I would then describe a hypothetical older fellow with a cantankerous attitude who happened to complain about the government, wrote letters to the editor about taxes, and purchased fertilizer for his flower garden. I would ask if he should be monitored and talked to.

But the problem is, we have a group of people who are clearly bad people, who are breaking the law, and have been for decades. Those are the folks who deal in illicit controlled substances (drugs). So...has the war on drugs succeeded? Is the price for such things up or down? Is availability up or down? It is my impression, from watching the mainstream news and reading the occasional newspaper, that drugs are cheaper and more available than ever. If that's true, if we have failed to stem the tide after decades of effort, then do we have the ability to go after the hypothetical fellow with a flower garden, or the lecturer who brings up pictures of plastic knives?

I don't question that some would like to monitor everyone and everything - but I can't see how it could get done. What could be done is to create an atmosphere of fear, one in which everyone worries about whether they are being profiled. I hope we don't get there.

[6.8SPC_DUMP]

IMHO not enough mainstream attention has been given to the Missouri Information Analysis Center's (MIAC) Strategic Report of The Modern Militia Movement, 02/20/09.

The Modern Militia Movement report infers that opposition to, or concern with, the Federal Reserve System, Martial Law and restrictions of the 1st and 2nd Amendment are dangerous "conspiracy theory's". Furthermore, it warns those who hold these views are likely sympathetic to / involved with unauthorized paramilitary organizations, i.e. domestic terrorists.
(*Rereading this: I don't want to imply that Militia Groups are domestic terrorists. All I know about them is from reading through their web sites - But, I don't think they should be lumped in with domestic terrorists when there are people on a mission of their god to kill all of us, when you look at the track record of these groups being a threat. I'm obviously not an expert though and hope to learn from those who are more knowledgeable.)


This is a clear signal to LEO's that people with these views are a threat to them and should be treated as hostile. It punishes potentially valid, and constitutionally protected, critical thought by labeling it “subcultures of conspiracy and misinformation” which "the distortions keep alive grievances and filter out facts that would challenge popular prejudices and self-serving propaganda”.

The closest I found to a comparable historical reference was The Sedition Act in 1798. This act was used to imprison Republican party members and shut down their newspapers because they opposed the Federalist party. The act was repelled, and all rulings reversed, when the Republican party won the next election (in part due to outrage over this violation of the 1st Amendment). Section 2 reads:

"...writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President, or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good people of the United States" ... "such person, being thereof convicted before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years."
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/sedact.asp

It reeks of treason to me that the MIAC report of The Modern Militia Movement would not have been publicly know unless an unnamed American hero LEO risked a great deal to "leak" this training pamphlet that reads:

MIAC Disclaimer: All information contained in this newsletter should be considered LAW ENFORCEMENT SENSETIVE. Further distribution or information in this newsletter is restricted to law enforcement officers and agencies, intelligence agencies, and Department of Defense organizations only, unless prior approval is obtained from the published source. NO REPORT OR SEGMENT THEREOF MAY BE RELEASED TO ANY MEDIA SOURCES. Civil and criminal penalties may exist for misuse, and persons or organizations violating this policy will be removed from all distribution lists. The information herein may not be MIAC originated intelligence unless noted. Therefore the annotated originated agencies in the newsletter should be contacted for the sources and reliability of information.
http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/...filiate.91.pdf

Ahead of the curve, Team Sergeant wrote about Homeland Security 'Fusion Centers', and MIAC is one of them. http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ad.php?t=22423

Here is the contact information for a Sunshine requests to the Missouri Department of Public Safety http://www.dps.mo.gov/home/MOSunshineLaw.htm

[The Reaper]

When you rely upon reports from special interest organizations, like the SPLC for your information, you are buying into their agenda as well.

Lots of crackpot left wing groups must see the current dominance of the Dim party as an opportunity to promote their causes.

I would hope that LE organizations learn from this and are more careful of their sources for reports in the future.

Realistically, I suspect that they won't, it will get worse, and we may see Ruby Ridge and Waco II revisited.

TR

[steel71]

According to this FEMA instructor (teaching cops and firemen) that George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Paul Revere were first terrorist in America. Yeah, that's what King George thought too. It's hard to believe my tax dollars are funding this kind of propaganda.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...en&emb=0&aq=f#

[sapper]

A few year ago I had the opportunity to go to Incident Response to Terrorist Bombings (IRTB) as well as some other courses at New Mexico Tech. We spent some time with the Israeli Police and Army. They said the biggest difference between us and them is we are looking for weapons not terrorists. They use 'profiling' as a daily diet.

Also, back in the 90's the sheriff's dept in the San Jose, CA. area did a analysis on all accidents in a given year. They tracked everything to the tires on the car, weather, Vic type and so on. They found that certain Asian populations were in many of the accidents. This caused various Asian groups to claim racism. Because of this nationality was no longer kept as part of the accident data. I remember thinking that the LEO's must also dislike Goodyear tires because that brand was also in the majority of the accidents recorded.

If all data is treated as such, then I am ok with it. If the data is accurate and unbiased then I am ok with it. As with all tools, they can be used for good and bad.

Having read the report I am more pissed off about about becoming split up in to the four separate 'States' the russian Prof. talks about. What a crock...