Natural born citizen,

[HOLLiS]

http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnos...residency.html

Supreme court ruling on Obama's eligibility for presidency
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

Supreme Court Of The United States (SCOTUS) Justice David Souter has agreed that a review of the federal lawsuit filed by attorney Phil Berg against Barack Hussein Obama II, et al., which was subsequently dismissed for lack of standing is warranted. SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570 contains the details.

A review of that docket and the Rule 10 of the Supreme Court makes abundantly clear that Justice Souter's granting of a review on the Writ of Certiorari is not a right entitled to citizen Phil Berg, but rather is a matter of judcial discretion based upon a compelling reason. That compelling reason is the Constitutional requirement that "No person except a natural born citizen ... shall be eligible to the office of President..."

What this means is that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Barack Hussein Obama II must respond to the writ of certiorari, and since the Berg v Obama case hinged primarily on the question of Obama's place of birth, it is almost inconceivable that Barack Obama will thumb his nose at the Justices of the Supreme Court and he is absolutely compelled to provide a vault copy his original birth certificate.

Another very salient fact to consider at this time is that, despite all of the pronouncements of the print and broadcast media, Barack Obama is not yet the President-elect of the United States. Barack Obama can only become the President-elect after the Electoral College convenes on 15 DECEMBER 2008 in their respective state capitals around the nation and casts their votes to elect the President and the Vice President. As you can see this election day occurs two weeks after the required response to the Supreme Court granted Writ of Certiorari.

The bottom line is this: the presidential election of 2008 remains an ongoing process, the outcome of which remains undetermined, and all talk about a potential Constitutional crisis in the United States are at least 36 days premature.

The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding President-elect Obama, of course, revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal Elections Commission can independently verify.

Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship:

· The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship;

· The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship;

· The allegation that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen;

· The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.

· The allegations that "Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states." Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."

· The claim could not be verified by inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public;

Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.

[JJ_BPK]

We already had the tin foil hat discussion about Barry's birth certificate,,

But this adds a new twist,,

If SCOTUS thinks there is merit,

I'll stay in the game and call the bet..

[Defender968]

Well this makes me feel a little better, (I will admit I did feel like I should be wearing a tinfoil hat because all the facts surrounding B0's birth cert have been bothering me, just a gut feeling combined with all the facts) But as the SCOTUS has taken interest and said B0 has to prove his citizenship I feel like my distrust/skepticism has been validated to some degree.

The next question is, what if, and I know it's a long shot, but what if he can't/doesn't prove it, where does that leave the country? While I abhor the thought of him as POTUS the people (no matter how stupid) voted for him, so do we have another election, or does Biden get the nod, or do the electorate just go out on their own and vote for McCain or Hillary, or do the Dims change the constitution to allow it?

I would bet he's going to have a written/filmed statement from his recently deceased grandmother but if he can't provide a vault copy of his Birth Cert IMO he can't be allowed to be president, there's just too much at stake in the bigger picture IMO.

I personally would be for having a second election, I know if would be expensive, but I'd also be for using B0's remaining campaign bankroll and his personal bank accounts to pay for it as much as possible as a punishment for his fraud (if in fact he cannot prove citizenship) since he knows his status and if he can't prove citizenship he knew he couldn't when he launched his candidacy.

[HOLLiS]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

We already had the tin foil hat discussion about Barry's birth certificate,,

But this adds a new twist,,

If SCOTUS thinks there is merit,

I'll stay in the game and call the bet..

I am not going to get to excited over this. Scotus may be in the game to clarify the rule of law on what exactly is or is not a natural born citizen.

[KClapp]

Scotus may be in the game to clarify the rule of law on what exactly is or is not a natural born citizen.

Will this be something akin to determining what "sexual relations" or "is" means?

[HOLLiS]

Originally Posted by KClapp

Will this be something akin to determining what "sexual relations" or "is" means?

That is my guess. My understanding the court will choose a case because of the specific elements in it. The same reason they will reject hearing a case because some elements that they want in clarifying a rule of law is missing. They use case law to establish legal meanings. This allows other courts and lawyers to understand what is going on. Also keep in mind, I am not a lawyer, but have taken Constitutional Law long ago.

So far outside of the article, the court has not mentioned what it's intent is. I am merely adding that it may not be a negative for Obama or a positive. We we know more, when the court says more.

Here's one of the comments (in reply to the article) posted on the original site (linked above)

Comments

Actually, the Writ has not been granted yet. Obama and the DNC have until Dec 1 to file a response to the request for a Write - at that time, Justice Souter and THREE OTHER judges must sign off as agreeing to a hearing - which will ONLY review the lower court's dismissal of Berg's suit due to lack of 'standing'. They will not be reviewing anything to do with BO in a hearing for W or C - they are ONLY addressing the issue of Berg's 'standing.' So far, that decision has not been made.

Posted by: OhPlease | Nov 19, 2008 2:14:10 AM

[JJ_BPK]

they are ONLY addressing the issue of Berg's 'standing.' So far, that decision has not been made. Posted by: OhPlease | Nov 19, 2008 2:14:10 AM

Back with the tin-hats..

[Soft Target]

First, I don't believe for a second anything will happen if the birth certificate proves he is not natural born.

BUT - Can you spell Biden/Pelosi? Then could you spell Pelosi/Reid?

Now, that there's scary; I don't care who you are.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Soft Target

BUT - Can you spell Biden/Pelosi? Then could you spell Pelosi/Reid?

There is the question of the vote and who is or is not elected,,

As Barry is not the President until AFTER the electoral college votes Dec 15th and AFTER the swearing in ceremony Jan 20th..

That's when the biden/pelosi/reid scenario kicks,, not one minute before...

I don't think the Electoral college can vote for a person that is legally not a valid Candide???

But your right, I'm sure that SCOTUS was just euphorically drunk with the results of this monumentally historic election, or something, when they decided to take the case,,,

I am sure they will print an apologetic retraction by Noon or shortly there after..

[rubberneck]

Get ready for massive race riots if it is found that Obama is ineligible to serve as President.

The troubling part in all of this was that this issue surfaced back during the summer and it has been swept under the rug by the media. There exists the possibility that the President elect, with the help of his handlers, committed the single greatest act of fraud in the history of our country. I just hope for the sake of this country that he is wrong as this has the potential to create a constitutional crisis the likes of which we have never seen.

[steel71]

Here's a radio interview with the kenya Ambassador, confirms BHO was born in Kenya, and of course he's proud of it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15hr-JHG-pA

[Richard]

Well I just bought stock in Alcoa...looks like there will be another run on the aluminum millinery market pretty soon.

Richard's $.02

[steel71]

And debt isn't slavery, lies are noble, ignorance is coveted, reading is paranoia, television is biblical, homosexuality is celebrated, greed is good, guns are evil, government loves you, kids belong to the state, and global warming is real. George Orwell couldn't have predicted any better; he just got the year wrong...

[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by Richard

Well I just bought stock in Alcoa...looks like there will be another run on the aluminum millinery market pretty soon.

Richard's $.02

Only the women?