Dalton Fury aka Thomas Greer

[The Reaper]

Saying that a HQs has not commented on your script, is not the same as them saying that your entire book is a violation of the NDA you signed and is therefore disapproved.

I really doubt that they have just sat on the script for the entire time MAJ Greer states without telling him anything.

The NDAs I signed forbid me from ever writing for profit about anything I witnessed in the Army. What did Greer's say?

The fact that Beckwith did it, and others over the years does not make it right to write another one, especially about operations which are still ongoing.

I am pretty sure that he is PNG at the Unit.

I wonder what the real story with this is, and I don't mean the one in the book.

TR

[MVS2]

Originally Posted by Christophe

Team Sergeant,

Sir,
can it be compared to the large amount of SAS books that came out after the first Gulf War, where the likes of Andy McNab and others got into trouble for writing books?
What happens to soldiers of such units that write books about certain units, besides no longer being invited to reunions? To they have to explain themselves to court?
Why, in the first place, are publishers allowed to publish books that have sensitive info in them?

Regards,

Chris.

Much of McNab's story (Bravo Two Zero) was thoroughly criticized and exposed as dramatic storytelling, with facts switched with more appealing scenarios to sell more books. He gave relatively little in terms of secrecy - Killing Bin Laden (from what I'm gathering on this thread) may be crossing the line.

[Christophe]

Seems like a lot of former Unit members started writing books??

-The Mission,The Men and Me: by Pete Blaber.
-Never Surrender: William Boykin.
-Leadership and Training For The Fight: Paul Howe.
-Green Eyes, Black Rifles: Kyle Lamb.

I suppose most of these books are about leadership skills and weapon handling. Still, all these authors outed themselves as being former Unit members.
If all of them are png I suppose Unit reunions must be a dull affaire.

[Surgicalcric]

Originally Posted by Christophe

...I suppose most of these books are about leadership skills and weapon handling. Still, all these authors outed themselves as being former Unit members.
If all of them are png I suppose Unit reunions must be a dull affair.

I suppose you should stop guessing and start reading.

Outing oneself is not the grounds for being PNG; talking about things that are covered in the NDA's is.


Crip

[Christophe]

Crip,

Message understood Sir.

Regards,

Chris.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Christophe

Seems like a lot of former Unit members started writing books??

-The Mission,The Men and Me: by Pete Blaber.
-Never Surrender: William Boykin.
-Leadership and Training For The Fight: Paul Howe.
-Green Eyes, Black Rifles: Kyle Lamb.

I suppose most of these books are about leadership skills and weapon handling. Still, all these authors outed themselves as being former Unit members.
If all of them are png I suppose Unit reunions must be a dull affaire.

And some have been OK'ed by the US Army..... big friggin difference don't you think?

And I would suppose that's something you will NEVER know.

Step lightly.

Team Sergeant

[Dad]

Would the QP's recommend the book by Blaber? He was a subject in another book I read and he seemed very impressive
Dad

[Christophe]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

And some have been OK'ed by the US Army..... big friggin difference don't you think?

And I would suppose that's something you will NEVER know.

Step lightly.

Team Sergeant

Sir,

Understood.

I appologise.

From now on I will read more and post less.

Respectfully,

Chris.

[Team Sergeant]

HOW TO CASH IN AFTER YOUR SPECIAL OPERATIONS CAREER BY THOMAS GREER, US ARMY RANGER AKA DALTON FURY.


Officer: Best Plan To Kill Osama Was Nixed
Wants To Set The Record Straight On The 2001 Hunt For Bin Laden At Tora Bora
Comments 19
Oct. 2, 2008

(CBS) The man who led the Pentagon's mission to kill Osama bin Laden says the Afghan allies he was forced to use may have undermined his operation. He also tells correspondent Scott Pelley his superiors scuttled the most effective plan of attack against the al Qaeda leader.

The former Delta Force officer, who uses the pseudonym "Dalton Fury," tells his story for the first time on 60 Minutes, this Sunday, Oct. 5, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
Ten weeks after 9/11, Fury and a team of U.S. Army Delta Force soldiers joined CIA operatives and Afghan fighters known as mujahideen under the command of a warlord named General Hazrat Ali, to whom the CIA paid millions in cash. The Americans and Afghans pursued bin Laden and an estimated 1,000 al Qaeda fighters into the Tora Bora Mountains, near the border with Pakistan. The U.S. strategy, says Fury, was to let Afghan allies do most of the fighting, while U.S. Special Operations Forces directed air strikes and provided support.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4494937.shtml

[Surf n Turf]

Originally Posted by MVS2

Much of McNab's story (Bravo Two Zero) was thoroughly criticized and exposed as dramatic storytelling, with facts switched with more appealing scenarios to sell more books. He gave relatively little in terms of secrecy

MVS2,
I was in the UK at about this time, and believe much of the controversy with “Andy McNabb’s” book had to do with General Sir de la Billiere selling his autobiographical book - LOOKING FOR TROUBLE at about the same time as Bravo Two Zero was being published. My understanding is that some thought there was a double standard in play, wherein an officer (de la Billiere) could publish (his “autobiography”), while a member of the Ranks could not publish.
General Sir de la Billiere, KCB, KBE, DSO, Ret. Commanded the 22 SAS from 1972 – 1974, and had association with the regiment before and after those years.
The Brits have the “Official Secrets Act”, so I doubt any unauthorized information was released in either tome.
SnT

[Richard]

None of my friends over in the stockade ever wrote a book or a screenplay. Guess I hung out with the wrong crowd. However, they will still speak to me.

Richard

[paulkoko]

Every spec ops unit is like all others. They have good and bad soldiers in it.

Here is my problem with this SF forum. You have guys that will bust Dalton Fury's balls but will not say a thing about General Boykin who wrote a book, who named names and ops and violated OPSEC to the max. This double standard is BS. He is making a profit of selling secrets like Cheney did.

Dalton Fury is a guy who gave up his career because his COC did the wrong thing and he put his career and life on the line to call a spade a spade. For those who stand by and say nothing time and time again when lives are lost and politics take priorty over what is right for the individual and the country, you are a spiritual, moral and physical coward. You want to wear the Green Beret without having the backbone to stand for what it means.

I will judge him after I read his book. As far as non-disclosures go, if you let it dictate your action when wrongful action has taken place and stand by and do nothing when soldiers die and you know that is was wrong, and take no action to fix it you are a worthless bag of guts...

Paul Howe

[paulkoko]

Sorry about that. I guess I spent 10 years of my life somewhere else...

If others find me offensive, please delete me and my comments from this forum and have the moderator send me a PM. Should that be the case, I would be happy to delete the link from my computer as I have no time in my life for those who want to hear one side of the story... I prefer to keep an open mind.

Paul Howe

[paulkoko]

Thanks for the note, much appreciated.

My computer is blocking messages, sorry, I have tried to unblock.

Please send to: paulkoko@hotmail.com

I will get back with you shortly.

Paul

[The Reaper]

Paul is a friend of mine and is a good guy.

He likely knows all of the parties involved in this personally. I believe that he is entitled to his opinion, as are the rest of us.

Paul, I was not a fan of any of the books from members of the unit, starting with COL Beckwith's, though I believe that they each have their own motivations for doing so.

TR