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Old 09-26-2008, 10:25   #31
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your going to have to explain "multicultural" and "nondenominational"
Multicultural, meaning exposure and understanding of multiple cultures.

Nondenominational, meaning not restricted to or associated with a religious denomination. I like my president to be generic in this area but still be religoius.

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Ok, how about this? What are BHO's qualifications (in detail, rather than the generalities offered last time)?
Would you mind doing the same for Palin?


qual·i·fi·ca·tion n.

The act of qualifying or the condition of being qualified.
A quality, ability, or accomplishment that makes a person suitable for a particular position or task.
A condition or circumstance that must be met or complied with: fulfilled the qualifications for registering to vote in the presidential election.
A restriction or modification: an offer with a number of qualifications.



He is multicultural

Multiracial

2 years at Occidental College

Graduated Columbia University with a degree in Political Science

Worked for Business International Corporation and NYPIRG

Worked as a community organizer with low-income residents in
Chicago’s Roseland community and the Altgeld Gardens public housing development on the city’s South Side.

Graduated Harvard law School

Elected the first African–American editor of the Harvard Law Review.

Obama graduated magna cum laude .

Practiced as a civil rights lawyer, joining the firm of Miner, Barnhill & Galland

He also taught at the University of Chicago Law School.

He helped organize voter registration drives during Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign

Obama published an autobiography in 1995

Campaigned and was elected to State Senate

Obama worked with both Democrats and Republicans in drafting legislation on ethics,

Expanded health care services and early childhood education programs for the poor.

He also created a state earned-income tax credit for the working poor.

And after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

In 2000, Obama made an unsuccessful Democratic primary run for the U. S. House of Representatives seat held by four-term incumbent candidate Bobby Rush

Won reelection with 70% of the vote

Obama partnered with Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana on a bill that expanded efforts to destroy weapons of mass destruction in Eastern Europe and Russia.

Then with Republican Sen. Tom Corburn of Oklahoma, he created a website that tracks all federal spending.

Obama was also the first to raise the threat of avian flu on the Senate floor,

Spoke out for victims of Hurricane Katrina,

Pushed for alternative energy development and

Championed improved veterans´ benefits.

He also worked with Democrat Russ Feingold of Wisconsin to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress.


Just to name a few

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Old 09-26-2008, 11:17   #32
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Jamber;

You will keep your opinion of the candidates and we'll keep ours. All four are qualified to run for either position. The argument is over which is "most qualified". The traits that make you feel that Obama is the best qualified are the same that make most of use feel the McCain/Palin ticket is the best choice.

You have made great statements about what he would not support if elected. If he is elected and does push gun control (sign a bill pushed by Democrats) - does push UN treaties that the Senate will sign - goes for punishing taxes on small business (remember most small business' file on their personal tax return) it's a little late for you to come back and say "Sorry guys, I quess I was wrong."

BTW - An earned income tax credit is welfare with my money.
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:25   #33
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Heres another list someone created after that Obama supporter on HardBall couldn't name any acomplishments


As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.<61>

Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories.

He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.

Obama worked with Russ Feingold (D–WI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act", which was signed into law in September 2007.

He joined Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections.

Obama also introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act", a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.<68>

Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.

joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.

Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries. After passing both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said "shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama


THESE ARE BARACK'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE U.S. SENATE TO DATE:

** First legislation, the HOPE Act, which increased Pell Grants to $5100, and later joined Senator Kennedy on the Higher Education legislation that passed July 20, by a vote of 78-18. That legislation also included funding for Predominantly Black Colleges to assist with counseling, tutoring and other needs of low income students. It also creates the Teaching Residency Act which will create a school-based teacher preparation program in high needs schools to provide each teacher with a mentor, content instruction, classroom management skills, a master’s degree and state certification, and a 2 year follow-up program.


**The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006
is an act that requires the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds beginning in fiscal year (FY) 2007 on a website maintained by the Office of Management and Budget.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Funding_Accountabi...


**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.
Signed into Law on January 11, 2007.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/chrisblas...


**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/53_17/news/19664-1.html?...
http://www.commonblog.com/story/2007/9/14/164837/331

** The “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-2125

** S116 - Summer Learning demonstration project to provide summer learning grants and encourage new teaching methods.
http://www.pasesetter.org/demonstrationPrograms/nasd.ht...

and this one, moved out of committee just a few days ago:
Obama's Global Poverty Act of 2007, passed out of committee just a few days ago
WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and Congressman Adam Smith (D-WA) today hailed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's passage of the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), which requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive policy to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief, and coordination with the international community, businesses and NGOs. This legislation was introduced in December. Smith and Congressman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) sponsored the House version of the bill (H.R. 1302), which passed the House last September.
http://obama.senate.gov /



Amendments, that have all passed:

S.Amdt.159 to S.Con.Res.18 - To prevent and, if necessary, respond to an international outbreak of the avian flu.

S.Amdt.390 to H.R.1268 - To provide meal and telephone benefits for members of the Armed Forces who are recuperating from injuries incurred on active duty in Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom.

S.Amdt.670 to H.R.3 - To provide for Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV) refueling capability at new and existing refueling station facilities to promote energy security and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

S.Amdt.808 to H.R.6 - To establish a program to develop Fischer-Tropsch transportation fuels from Illinois basin coal.

S.Amdt.851 to H.R.6 - To require the Secretary to establish a Joint Flexible Fuel/Hybrid Vehicle Commercialization Initiative, and for other purposes.

S.Amdt.1362 to S.1042 - To require a report on the Department of Defense Composite Health Care System II.

S.Amdt.1453 to S.1402 - To ensure the protection of military and civilian personnel in the Department of Defense from an influenza pandemic, including an avian influenza pandemic.

S.Amdt.2301 to H.R.3010 - To increase funds to the Thurgood Marshall Legal Educational Opportunity Program and to the Office of Special Education Programs of the Department of Education for the purposes of expanding positive behavioral interventions and supports.

S.Amdt.2605 to S.2020 - Expressing the sense of the Senate that the Federal Emergency Management Agency should immediately address issues relating to no-bid contracting.

S.Amdt.2930 to S.2349 - To clarify that availability of legislation does not include nonbusiness days.
S.Amdt.3144 to S.Con.Res.83 - To provide a $40 million increase in FY 2007 for the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program and to improve job services for hard-to-place veterans

S. Amdt 41 to S. 1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.

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Barack has Written a total of 890 Bills and Co-sponsored Another 1096 since he started serving in the U.S. Senate.

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Old 09-26-2008, 11:36   #34
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Jamber;

You will keep your opinion of the candidates and we'll keep ours. All four are qualified to run for either position. The argument is over which is "most qualified". The traits that make you feel that Obama is the best qualified are the same that make most of use feel the McCain/Palin ticket is the best choice.

You have made great statements about what he would not support if elected. If he is elected and does push gun control (sign a bill pushed by Democrats) - does push UN treaties that the Senate will sign - goes for punishing taxes on small business (remember most small business' file on their personal tax return) it's a little late for you to come back and say "Sorry guys, I quess I was wrong."

BTW - An earned income tax credit is welfare with my money.
I respect all your opinions. I'm not interested in swaying you one way or the other. I'm just interested in communicating to you the other side of the coin from a young mans perspective.

As a side note: I was a small business owner for approximately 2 years. I tried very hard not to show a profit over 200k. I knew of very few small business owners that did show a profit over 250k. I don't see his tax plan negatively effecting small business.

I would be interested in seeing some concrete numbers on what percentage of small business owners show a profit over 250k on their tax returns.
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:22   #35
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You proved our point

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..As a side note: I was a small business owner for approximately 2 years. I tried very hard not to show a profit over 200k. ...

You might not know it but you just proved with that post why you should vote for McCain/Palin.

You admit - and I really don't care which it was - that you either limited your work to stay under 200K or wiggled a bit on the taxes.

Either way will have a negative impact on the typical small business and government income.

Cut taxes or keep them low and small business will boom. Raise taxes and .... somebody might shrug.
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I respect all your opinions. I'm not interested in swaying you one way or the other. I'm just interested in communicating to you the other side of the coin from a young mans perspective.

As a side note: I was a small business owner for approximately 2 years. I tried very hard not to show a profit over 200k. I knew of very few small business owners that did show a profit over 250k. I don't see his tax plan negatively effecting small business.

I would be interested in seeing some concrete numbers on what percentage of small business owners show a profit over 250k on their tax returns.
Jamber97,

You've just proven Pete's point was well taken, review what you've just said!

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Jamber97,

You've just proven Pete's point was well taken, review what you've just said!

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I sure did, although that was my goal under the Bush tax cuts. As a business owner in order to avoid certain tax pitfalls, I would invest a large chuck of my profits right back into my business in the form of equipment, personnel and advertising.

"Obama's plan would bring in an additional $700 billion in taxes over the next 10 years, while McCain's would cost the Treasury $600 billion. Assuming legislators would have let the tax breaks expire, Obama's plan would cost the U.S. Treasury $2.7 trillion and McCain's $3.7 trillion."- BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Political Reporter/apallasch@suntimes.com


Obama’s definitely looking to shift more of the tax burden to the 1% that’s already shouldering a majority of the load.

Joining the ARMY drops me back down into the 85% so it looks like I won’t have to worry about being in the 1% any more lol
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As a business owner in order to avoid certain tax pitfalls, I would invest a large chuck of my profits right back into my business in the form of equipment, personnel and advertising.
That's exactly what was supposed to happen. You helped the economy grow and unemployment shrink.

If you weren't interested in growing your own business, you could have invested in someone else's or just paid the taxes.

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