09-19-2008, 06:18
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Jamber....
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Hey, Jamber - you out there?
How is the homework coming?
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09-19-2008, 08:53
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09-19-2008, 09:19
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Jamber
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Hey, Jamber - you out there?
How is the homework coming?
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I've got to give Jamber "props"! He is young, and wrong about a lot of things - in my humble opinion - but (until now) he has hung in here and respectfully tried to make his points against a lot of opposition.
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09-19-2008, 09:44
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Originally Posted by ZonieDiver
I've got to give Jamber "props"! He is young, and wrong about a lot of things - in my humble opinion - but (until now) he has hung in here and respectfully tried to make his points against a lot of opposition.
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I agree. There is no need for dogpiling someone who is trying to debate the issues, even though they might be poorly informed.
Probably best to let him respond to the issues one at the time.
TR
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09-20-2008, 05:26
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Chicago Defender
It is reported in some places that the Dec 13, 1999 issue of the Chicago Defender had a story about Sen. Obama (D-13) and his backing of a bill that included among other things:
1) Making a felon of a person if a gun was stolen from their home if it was not properly secured and it was used in a crime after the theft.
2) Limiting weapons sales to one a month.
3) No guns show sales except "antiques".
4) A gun safety class that must be passed to purchase weapons.
Would a moderate who wants to feel good about "just a few more laws" think most of those are reasonable? No problems with any of them? Pass those and what would the next "few laws" be.
Me? I see a number of problems with each one.
Of course it could be that the Chicago Defender is just a right wing NRA huggin' rag out to distort Obama's position on the issue.
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09-20-2008, 12:23
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Originally Posted by Pete
It is reported in some places that the Dec 13, 1999 issue of the Chicago Defender had a story about Sen. Obama (D-13) and his backing of a bill that included among other things:
1) Making a felon of a person if a gun was stolen from their home if it was not properly secured and it was used in a crime after the theft.
2) Limiting weapons sales to one a month.
3) No guns show sales except "antiques".
4) A gun safety class that must be passed to purchase weapons.
Would a moderate who wants to feel good about "just a few more laws" think most of those are reasonable? No problems with any of them? Pass those and what would the next "few laws" be.
Me? I see a number of problems with each one.
Of course it could be that the Chicago Defender is just a right wing NRA huggin' rag out to distort Obama's position on the issue.
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Pete I find it hard to believe anything coming out of Chicago is anywhere near the right, or even the center for that matter. I find many, many issues with this bill as well. The fact that BHO supported it does not surprise me, however it is a great example of why I don't trust is judgment, value system, or instincts and why there isn't a chance I will vote for him.
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09-21-2008, 16:31
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Jamber
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Hey, Jamber - you out there?
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I had one of those classic moments where I realized I didn't know quite as much about a subject as I thought. I'm still doing quite a bit of reading.
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09-21-2008, 17:04
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I had one of those classic moments where I realized I didn't know quite as much about a subject as I thought. I'm still doing quite a bit of reading.
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Nothing wrong with that.
Most successful people recognize that more and more quickly as they get older.
I remember when my Dad suddenly got a lot smarter. 
TR
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De Oppresso Liber 01/20/2025
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09-21-2008, 21:29
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I had one of those classic moments where I realized I didn't know quite as much about a subject as I thought. I'm still doing quite a bit of reading.
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It takes a good amount of character to admit that--good job!
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09-22-2008, 16:14
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Originally Posted by jamber97
I had one of those classic moments where I realized I didn't know quite as much about a subject as I thought. I'm still doing quite a bit of reading.
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Hey, don't feel bad....happens to me all the time! (know any good books on dealing with wives?)
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09-22-2008, 20:20
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Hey, don't feel bad....happens to me all the time! (know any good books on dealing with wives?) |
Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus???? 
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09-22-2008, 22:33
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Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus???? |
That's an excellent book...to use as a fire starter.
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09-23-2008, 08:09
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Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus???? |
If you look up "wussy" in the dictionary, you see the picture of theauthor of that book next to the definition!
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09-25-2008, 09:30
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ISRA September 24th News release
http://www.isra.org/
I would think that the members of ISRA have a good idea of just who Obama really is.
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09-25-2008, 09:44
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Jamber, is there an issue other than economics you'd rather discuss?
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