Civilian support of war effort cowardice?

[blue02hd]

Originally Posted by Penn

Crod2487...I think you are full of it; phishing and should be banned!

I have to agree on this one. CRod, why would you initiate a post like this? With all the wealth of knowledge that is available here, it seems to me you are simply waiting to talk, and listen rather poorly.

I PM'd you a question concerning your age and you have not responded in kind, however you did answer here in this thread. I guess you were too busy to respond to my PM?

[blue02hd]

Originally Posted by CRod2487

Just to be fair to him, I left the link to this thread on the facebook group board where he frequents. Dont want to turn you gentlemens forum into a feild for a pissing match but I dont like talking behind a man's back and beleive he has the right to come on here and defend himself against my criticism, even though hes the one who threw the first stone.

If you have issue with this individual, please do not use this forum as a tool to discredit him. Be a man, confront him yourself, and respect the work that the moderators and QP's do to keep PS.Com respectable. And finally, fill out your profile so we have an idea of who you are.

Originally Posted by CRod2487

No Sir this person is in fact a newly minted Ensign class of 2008 from Annapolis .. . . Just saying. Again no offense taken.

One of you is lying:

The first tour will be 24 months with the most important milestones of the initial sea tour being achievement of the Officer of the Deck (Fleet) and Surface Warfare Officer qualifications. These qualifications are designed to be completed within the first 12 to 18 months.

2008 graduate? SWO? Pffft.

[D9 (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Razor

I suppose a potential counter statement would be that an able bodied serviceman not serving in a direct combat role could be perceived as a coward.

A very good counter argument, I would say.

All due respect to naval service, but let's call it what it is. Does war really mean the same thing to the grunt in the Diyala Province as it does a Surface Warfare Officer, whatever the hell that is. I don't think so. From where I'm sitting that officer looks about as ridiculous on that high horse as any civilian.

Service, and combat service, are not interchangeable concepts.

My 0.02.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by CRod2487

Just to be fair to him, I left the link to this thread on the facebook group board where he frequents. Dont want to turn you gentlemens forum into a feild for a pissing match but I dont like talking behind a man's back and beleive he has the right to come on here and defend himself against my criticism, even though hes the one who threw the first stone.

So, you start a contentious thread, stir the pot, and then invite him and his buddies over to defend themselves.

If that isn't trolling, I don't know what it is.

You need to check yourself, young man. This isn't a typical board.

TR

[CRod2487]

Originally Posted by blue02hd

I have to agree on this one. CRod, why would you initiate a post like this? With all the wealth of knowledge that is available here, it seems to me you are simply waiting to talk, and listen rather poorly.

I PM'd you a question concerning your age and you have not responded in kind, however you did answer here in this thread. I guess you were too busy to respond to my PM?

blue, My apologies it seems im still getting the hang of it here. I thought your private message was a request to fill my profile out with my age which I did. My current age is 20 and I turn 21 in a few months. I honestly wanted to hear what actual war fighters thought of that line of reasoning and this is the only way I know of asking professional warriors.

[CRod2487]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

So, you start a contentious thread, stir the pot, and then invite him and his buddies over to defend themselves.

If that isn't trolling, I don't know what it is.

You need to check yourself, young man. This isn't a typical board.

TR

It could be taken that way Sir and I will stop it starts.

[Mike]

"coward" is a tough word or concept.Some are a lot less cut for actual combat than others.
Some of the "lesser cut" have done pretty good when required.

My favorite word is "freeloader."
It applies to anyone who never bothered to put on a military uniform.
"Yellow bellied cocksucker" doesn't fly in polite conversation.

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by Mike

"coward" is a tough word or concept.Some are a lot less cut for actual combat than others.
Some of the "lesser cut" have done pretty good when required.

My favorite word is "freeloader."
It applies to anyone who never bothered to put on a military uniform.
"Yellow bellied cocksucker" doesn't fly in polite conversation.

No, it may not - but is sure is apropos!

[exsquid]

CRod:

You are an idiot if you lend any credence to what a newly minted SWO Ensign says, especially a "ring knocker" at that. The Naval Academy produces "leaders" who are extremely well educated but lack any understanding what leadership really is. There is a reason why Academy grads are ridiculed in the fleet.

x/S

[Defender968]

Originally Posted by exsquid

CRod:

You are an idiot if you lend any credence to what a newly minted SWO Ensign says, especially a "ring knocker" at that. The Naval Academy produces "leaders" who are extremely well educated but lack any understanding what leadership really is. There is a reason why Academy grads are ridiculed in the fleet.

x/S

You know it's funny, the AF Academy produces the same types of Lieutenants, most are not only not good leaders, they're socially retarded for the first couple of years of duty.

[HOLLiS]

It is one of those statements, I would need to ask more to know more. It sounds like he is saying, "That if you support the war and are able to fight, then enlist."

I am amazed that a person who graduated from the US Naval Academy offered such a narrow minded statement. It demeans the service to this country by any civilian who is not in the military. We have EMTs, LEOs, Firefighters, Agents, Teachers ect. who serve(d) this country. I can not think of a more heroic group of people who on 9/11, went into buildings to save lives and never came out.

The guy sounds full of himself. Kind of reminds me of a presidential candidate who lost the last election.

[Mike]

In my narrow personal view, one does not get a pass simply by being a fireman or a cop.

Serve your country then work for your community.
Many cops and firefighters are vets.
A cop or fireman has the option of turning in his gear at the end of his shift.
Serving ones country requires considerably more effort.

I know a couple nonvets (shirkers) I can tolerate to degree.
I would never let my sister marry one, though.

[Constant]

Originally Posted by Defender968

You know it's funny, the AF Academy produces the same types of Lieutenants, most are not only not good leaders, they're socially retarded for the first couple of years of duty.

X2
Considering I'm stationed on the Academy, I see it first hand every day.

[Dozer523]

Civilains can "support the war" all they want but they are still civilians.
They can support the servicemen all they want to and they are still civilians. They can put little magnetic yellow ribbons on thier cars, still civilians.
They can pay for my regular coffee at starbucks to say "thankyou for all you do". I'm always polite and say "Well, THANK you . . . for your patriotism"
All that does is save me $1.98.

It doesn't really make me feel appreciated for my "sacrifice" or "all you do". Even less so when my benefactor is between the ages of 18 and 30. (Because I'm old and in the Guard and I went to Afghanistan.) When I get asked, "Why are you doing this", I usually answer "Well, the Army taught me how to do it and I remember most of it and it's a lot of fun . . . Since they seem to need somebody to do it, I'm happy I can help." Sometimes I mention that my oldest son is on his second tour and I say, "What I'd REALLY LIKE is to stand right next to him, but since I can't any soldier will do."

What I'd LIKE TO SAY is, "I'm doing it because you aren't."

But I NEVER EVER say that . . .

. . . because sometimes they will spring for a cookie too.

one thousand, two thousand, three thous . . .