07-07-2008, 09:29
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Honor Killing in the US
Welcome, sharia law to the US. 
Watch for more of this in the future, as we applaud multi-culturalism.
I hope he gets the redneck jury and the death penalty, or at least a loving cellmate.
TR
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377044,00.html
Police Say Georgia Man Killed Own Daughter to Protect Family Honor
Monday, July 07, 2008
Chaudhry Rashad accused of killing his own daughter for dishonoring family.
A Georgia man will appear in court Monday on charges he killed his own daughter for disgracing the family.
Police said 54-year-old Chaudhry Rashad was so angered that his daughter, Sandela Kanwal, planned to divorce her arranged-marriage husband that Rashad killed her after a heated argument at the family's home, FOX News affiliate MyFoxAtlanta reported.
Rashad was taken to the Clayton County jail where he reportedly confessed to strangling his 25-year-old daughter.
The news shocked neighbors and family friends.
"The family is very upset and stressed," said Shahid Malik of the Pakistani American Community of Atlanta. Malik told MyFoxAtlanta that he met with the family Sunday and said they were all traumatized.
Police said Kanwal hadn't seen her husband, who lives in Chicago, for months.
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07-07-2008, 10:22
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I see that the family is "upset", "stressed" and "traumatized". How about furious, incensed, resentful, etc?  Am I missing something?
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07-07-2008, 11:21
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Hey guess what? Proportionally there is a higher per-capita rate of honors killings among Jordanian Christians than by the Muslim population. It's a tribal not a Sharia thing. Yes, religion, including a skewed interpretation of Sharia plays a part in "justifying" the practice, but it sure as hell isn't the "causal variable." Being less educated and coming from a more rural area is at least strongly correlated with a higher incidence of the practice. It's a tribal practice that predates Islam, and I don't know about other countries in the region but in Jordan it is today just as big a problem among the 6% Christian population than the 93% Muslim population. This is according to a conversation I had in person with the very secular and award winning investigative journalist Rana Husseini, a Jordanian women's rights activist, as well as a rather comprehensive study published in 2006 by the authors of the book "Claiming Jordan's Honor."
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07-07-2008, 11:27
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Unlike some countries that practice Sharia I doubt he is going to be happy with the legal outcome. He is mistaken if he thinks that he will be cut any slack because that is the way they do things in Pakistan. I am sure that the good people of Georgia will make that point painfully clear.
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07-07-2008, 11:41
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Hey guess what? Proportionally there is a higher per-capita rate of honors killings among Jordanian Christians than by the Muslim population. It's a tribal not a Sharia thing....... |
Could you give us the figures please for the 6% Jordanian Christians vs 93% Muslim population for Honor Killings?
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07-07-2008, 12:36
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Originally Posted by Astraeus
This is according to a conversation I had in person with the very secular and award winning investigative journalist Rana Husseini, a Jordanian women's rights activist, as well as a rather comprehensive study published in 2006 by the authors of the book "Claiming Jordan's Honor."
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I don't doubt that Ms. Husseini is an award winning woman's rights activist but her findings are worthless absent reliable data. Here in the states local law enforcement report their annual crime stats to the FBI for their inclusion in Uniform Crime Reports. That hard data is drawn from more than 10,000 local agencies and allow criminologists to observe trends in crime.
I doubt that Jordan has as system as comprehensive and accurate as the UCR. If I were a betting man I would bet that less than 20% of the crimes committed in any given year in Jordan get reported to the government, and that number probably drops off significantly for crimes involving honor. Since some of the tribes view honor killing as a natural right I doubt very much that they will discuss it openly and honestly with a female activist.
She can draw whatever conclusions she likes it doesn't mean that they reflect reality.
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07-07-2008, 12:42
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Hey guess what? Proportionally there is a higher per-capita rate of honors killings among Jordanian Christians than by the Muslim population. It's a tribal not a Sharia thing. Yes, religion, including a skewed interpretation of Sharia plays a part in "justifying" the practice, but it sure as hell isn't the "causal variable." Being less educated and coming from a more rural area is at least strongly correlated with a higher incidence of the practice. It's a tribal practice that predates Islam, and I don't know about other countries in the region but in Jordan it is today just as big a problem among the 6% Christian population than the 93% Muslim population. This is according to a conversation I had in person with the very secular and award winning investigative journalist Rana Husseini, a Jordanian women's rights activist, as well as a rather comprehensive study published in 2006 by the authors of the book "Claiming Jordan's Honor." |
Hey, guess what?
He didn't kill her in Jordan, he killed her in the USA.
I don't recall a lot of American Christian (or atheist, or Jewish, or Buddist, or Hindu, or Confucianist) fathers killing their daughters lately when they wanted to get divorced out of an arranged marriage. Frankly, that practice needs to be evaluated as well.
If that is accepted practice among American Muslim fathers, maybe we don't need any more of them here, or the ones who slay their daughters need to shut up, sit down, and have the ride of their lives on Old Sparky.
TR
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07-07-2008, 12:58
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and I don't know about other countries in the region but in Jordan it is today just as big a problem among the 6% Christian population than the 93% Muslim population.
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OK...I have to extend my neck a little and call B.S. on the above statistic.
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07-07-2008, 13:01
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"Sparky" is too civilized. If they want to adhere to an Islamist/tribal more from the Dark Ages, maybe we should re-institute public executions - and use their methods; e.g. hanging or beheading.
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07-07-2008, 13:05
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Not to be rude but why is this even a conversation?
He killed his daughter and admitted to it.
Sounds like murder to me in our county no matter what your beliefs.
I'm with TR yet again on this one... I hear ole' sparky calling.
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07-07-2008, 13:16
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to expensive
Gas is 4 bucks a gallon... why waste the energy to fire up ole' sparky...
Hang him, its cheaper, better yet, if he wants to "live his culture" maybe the executioner should just cut his damn head off.
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07-07-2008, 13:27
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Cannot even begin to imagine what her thoughts were, in her last moments.
I hope that Sandela is in a more peaceful place now.
How horrible. 
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07-07-2008, 14:30
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"Sparky" is too civilized. If they want to adhere to an Islamist/tribal more from the Dark Ages, maybe we should re-institute public executions - and use their methods; e.g. hanging or beheading.
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I am with you, and they are screwing with the people whose ancestors invented the Inquisition, but IIRC, the Constitution prohibits "cruel and unusual" punishment, and the Courts move ever closer to denying any means of execution.
My personal belief is that the murderer should die at least as horrible a death as the victim.
Breaking on the rack, or the wheel, or flaying, or the press, or being fed to swine, any one of a number of procedures comes to mind. I want it horrific enough that the next jackass who thinks about killing his own daughter because of "honor" thinks twice about it.
At least, hanging has the potential to go wrong and be pretty gruesome, as well as being the traditional means of executing criminals and others not worthy of the blade or a bullet. Electrocution has its moments as well.
Unfortunately, we lack the stones for it today.
TR
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07-07-2008, 17:28
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I was watching this report on Fox a few moments ago. I'm all for the punishment fitting the crime. This bastard should hang...but since he probably won't I hope the judge gives the max sentence possible.
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07-07-2008, 18:20
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I once read of a method the Turks used. A one inch diameter iron rod was driven into the ground with about 40 inches of it exposed. The metal rod was greased with fat, the victim was picked up and his butt slipped down on the metal shaft. The rod was not long enough to quickly kill. The victim got to tip toe around in circles until he became tired. Once he could no longer stand, the rod damaged internal organs and the individual bleed to death. Sounds like a winner to me......
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