07-01-2008, 13:48
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Yep.
2000 miles from civilization means I'd likely be at my West Coast destination. I'd like to stake land in S. California and get a head start on oil prospecting - only to travel 300 years ahead and find the natives I hired to work the land have taken over my stake and now run U.S. oil production.
Rubber band *snap*
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07-01-2008, 14:00
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Yep.
2000 miles from civilization means I'd likely be at my West Coast destination. I'd like to stake land in S. California and get a head start on oil prospecting - only to travel 300 years ahead and find the natives I hired to work the land have taken over my stake and now run U.S. oil production.
Rubber band *snap*
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If you run out of ammo or luck a few hundred miles from the PZ, you are not much better off than running out in Missouri. No one is waiting there to come rescue you.
You never explained your plan, but I would expect that since there is very limited oil exploration in California, much less actual extraction, you would be better served by staking out claims to property around Sutter's Mill, and then plowing that money into oceanfront property, particularly in SoCal.
You might want to borrow an M-1 Carbine, a 40 round mag, and go try hunting deer, or better yet, brown bear with it. Let us know your impressions after testing it out.
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07-01-2008, 14:11
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That's also a good plan, but who's going to watch that property for 300 years without taking a bite out of it? The honor system seems like a bad choice to go on for long term. I'd have to pack some claymores or invisible dog fence (solar powered, of course) and pass bracelets out as gifts - that may work for the first 100 years.
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07-01-2008, 16:49
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Originally Posted by MVS2
That's also a good plan, but who's going to watch that property for 300 years without taking a bite out of it? The honor system seems like a bad choice to go on for long term. I'd have to pack some claymores or invisible dog fence (solar powered, of course) and pass bracelets out as gifts - that may work for the first 100 years.
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Maybe you could start a religion that declares it holy property and prophesize that you will be back to claim it.
Time Traveling Prophets...
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07-01-2008, 18:17
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Interesting, but...
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Originally Posted by Diablo Blanco
Maybe you could start a religion that declares it holy property and prophesize that you will be back to claim it.
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given the historical fates of figures who have done this, I'd pass and just bury the gold deep in a nearby current day park reserve along the American River.
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07-07-2008, 17:58
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While thinking about what would make me accept this challenge, besides the adventure itself, it dawned on me that I could visit my great-great-etc grandparents. I’m descended from John Howland, one of the Mayflower Compact signers. His grandson and also my great-grandfather, John Chipman, would have been 31 in 1700. His wife, Mary (Skiff) Chipman would have been 29.
Being able to photograph, and perhaps record, them would be invaluable for the family and historians. I’m not sure actual contact could be made since I don’t know how the dialect differences would affect communication. Although I think arriving at a fishing port would be an advantage in that regard since sailors from far reaches of the world would not be unusual there.
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07-01-2008, 14:17
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You might want to borrow an M-1 Carbine, a 40 round mag, and go try hunting deer, or better yet, brown bear with it. Let us know your impressions after testing it out.
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I will keep you posted.
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07-12-2008, 19:43
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
If you run out of ammo or luck a few hundred miles from the PZ, you are not much better off than running out in Missouri. No one is waiting there to come rescue you.
You never explained your plan, but I would expect that since there is very limited oil exploration in California, much less actual extraction, you would be better served by staking out claims to property around Sutter's Mill, and then plowing that money into oceanfront property, particularly in SoCal.
You might want to borrow an M-1 Carbine, a 40 round mag, and go try hunting deer, or better yet, brown bear with it. Let us know your impressions after testing it out.
TR
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No M-1 Carbines to borrow in my area - I tried an AK-47 and an M-4 at a local range...I'll take the M4.
The AK was heavy compared to the M-4, its rounds were inconsistent at 75 feet, and the recoil was pretty comparable to a 12 gauge.
The M-4 jammed up a half dozen times in ninety rounds. I doubt it had been cleaned in a while.
thanks for the suggestion.
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07-15-2008, 08:15
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New FRAGO.
You may bring a dog on your journey, if you wish.
Do you choose to bring one?
If you could only have one or the other, would you choose to bring a dog, rather than a human companion?
What breed do you select? Why?
What gender? Why?
What preparation do you make for the animal?
What additional supplies do you bring?
What role do you envision for your dog, if you bring one?
TR
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07-15-2008, 09:04
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No M-1 Carbines to borrow in my area - I tried an AK-47 and an M-4 at a local range...I'll take the M4.
The AK was heavy compared to the M-4, its rounds were inconsistent at 75 feet, and the recoil was pretty comparable to a 12 gauge.
The M-4 jammed up a half dozen times in ninety rounds. I doubt it had been cleaned in a while.
thanks for the suggestion.
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I've never witnessed an M4 jamming "half dozen times in ninety rounds", not without something being broken or put together wrong. But then again I've only watched about a million or so M4 rounds go down range.
MVS2, spare us your weapons commentary.
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07-15-2008, 10:29
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New FRAGO.
You may bring a dog on your journey, if you wish.
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Do you choose to bring one? Yes
If you could only have one or the other, would you choose to bring a dog, rather than a human companion? I’d rather bring a dog.
What breed do you select? Why? A German Shorthair Pointer. I’d bring her along so that I have companionship without opinion, and an early warning system. Don’t have to worry about a dog shooting you if foodstuffs run low also. If times got too terrible, I’d eat the dog.
What gender? Why? A female. Less rambunctious.
What preparation do you make for the animal? Constant exercise and hunting practice (upland/forest game). Send the puppy to a renowned dog training facility. I will accompany her for training too as soon as I complete the survival courses.
What additional supplies do you bring? An extra camelback that she can wear, a blanket, and just a few treats until we get our first meal. A few cans of dog food as well.
What role do you envision for your dog, if you bring one? Companion and hunting partner. German shorthairs are very good bird/chase dogs.
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07-17-2008, 15:08
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12-02-2008, 11:46
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Sprouts!
Since Bill Harsey opened the door with the “Tofu Chili” thread in “The Gourmet Guerrilla” forum, I’ll offer this here:
Relying on local edible plants while crossing the continent could be problematic, so I would take a mix of beans and seeds for sprouting en route. At least until I learn to identify plants that I can reliably recognize and find in the South and Southwest. (Dang, there was no Kudzu in the 1700s.  )
In our sailing days we used sprouts to fill out the Vitameatavegamin pyramid. I’ve learned that some through-hiking backpackers use loose weave, moisture retaining, bags, attached to their packs, for sprouting.
I would also take, or acquire, a couple of laying hens. My guess is that they would not work out in the long run and would probably be consumed early on, but it’s one of those things that can’t be known in advance. Who knows, they might prove to be a good early-warning system.
Bon appetit.
Pat
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