02-11-2008, 18:46
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Originally Posted by tom kelly
You did the right thing,However,you put yourself in a dangerous situtation.I know the rules for legal posession of firearms on a military base are very strict,but todays teen's have little or no regard for laws let alone rules for posession of firearms on a military base.Keep this thought in mind and call the Military Police FIRST,and after they arrive go to them and explain why you called. Better Safe Than Sorry....Regards, tom kelly
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IMHO, very good advice! 
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02-11-2008, 19:08
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IMHO, very good advice! |
I agree 100% and DID scope a very dark area to run towards should a firearm have presented itself.
I thought (for a brief moment) about taking my firearm with me....but then thought better of it being on post. One of the first things the officer did when he arrived was a quick pat down after asking if I was "illegally carrying a firearm on the installation". 
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You bet. Sound advice to be certain.
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02-11-2008, 19:20
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I would assume that this LTC in Iraq only heard the story from his wife and/or kids. Query how he would react if he knew what really happened.
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02-11-2008, 19:38
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
I would assume that this LTC in Iraq only heard the story from his wife and/or kids. Query how he would react if he knew what really happened.
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BINGO RL! I too am curious why LTC in Iraq did not take all the information [read-both sides] into account before calling in his CG chip in the first place? That tells me all I need to know concerning his out of control children question.
You did it the right way Eagle. Glad you are OK.
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02-11-2008, 22:16
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
I would assume that this LTC in Iraq only heard the story from his wife and/or kids. Query how he would react if he knew what really happened.
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I am hoping his CSM (that he sent over to my house) will be able to relay the remainder of the story with due diligence.
Time will tell...
Thank for all the warm fuzzies fellas.
Eagle
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"I have hung out in dangerous places a lot over the years, from combat zones to biker bars, and it is the weak, the unaware, or those looking for it, that usually find trouble.
Ain't no one getting out of this world alive. All you can do is try to have some choice in the way you go. Prepare yourself (and your affairs), and when your number is up, die on your feet fighting rather than on your knees. And make the SOBs pay dearly."
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02-12-2008, 11:57
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Eagle5US:
FWIW, I wish my neighbors were half as involved in what was going on in our neighborhood as you.
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02-12-2008, 13:02
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Good job, brother - I wish it were that easy in the civilian world - noisy neighbors, and a door knock could very well lead to high velocity puncture wounds any more...
I still can't believe that happened in Sr NCO / FG O housing.
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02-12-2008, 13:35
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This old CSM says you did the right thing.....
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02-12-2008, 15:18
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Without repeating what's already been posted by others...I think we're all in agreement. You did right.
I will add that, had I been the LTC in question, you would be receiving some young visitors the very next evening who would be issuing a very humble apology and a thank you for looking out for their safety while their dad is away.
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02-12-2008, 16:23
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Your actions were both correct and admirable. You GOT involved. It seems though, mother and child could use some adult supervision.
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02-13-2008, 06:41
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Originally Posted by Endorphin Rush
I will add that, had I been the LTC in question, you would be receiving some young visitors the very next evening who would be issuing a very humble apology and a thank you for looking out for their safety while their dad is away.
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I'd have them cut your grass and clean your crapper for a few months too... My wife is a teacher and we see the same thing, all the time. It's not little Johnny's fault he's dumb as a box of rocks and isn't interested in learning... It's HER fault for not teaching him. A giant socitial shift and a "blame someone else" attitude. When I was younger, it seemed the kids were guilty until proven innocent... Now it's the "not my kid"...
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02-13-2008, 15:20
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Originally Posted by Eagle5US
Her words, "They are just teenagers being teenagers. He don't know you, so he shouldn't be answering any of your questions".
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Right, and a teenager will put one between your eyes, or gut you with a razor before you know it. They have no sense of value of life, primarily due to TV and video games (my .02 cents).
All I know is that the one time I lived on post (Bragg) in 1970 (no joke), if you created a ruckus, you were promptly told to pack your shit and move downtown - many times w/o drawing BAQ.
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02-13-2008, 15:25
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I had a student in the SFQC kill the dependent son of a SGM during a botched home invasion attempt off post many years ago.
The SGM had been warned that his son was running with a bad crowd, and the cops had called the SGM to come pick the young man up a couple of times, but he was in denial as the boy could do no wrong, and was just "being a teenager".
That didn't stop him from becoming a dead teen when he and his buddies attacked the wrong people.
Sounds to me like reverse racism, and you being blamed for their son's misconduct, and that is exactly what it is.
With that attitude the parents almost certainly have some steep learning to do over the next few years, hopefully, they will not learn that lesson in a very hard way.
TR
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02-13-2008, 15:33
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Lessons to be learned
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
hopefully, they will not learn that lesson in a very hard way.
TR
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Looks to me the LTC and his son could learn two lessons from TR's story:
1. Man up and parent your child
2. Don't mess with SF
Here's hoping this turns out right for you EAGLE sir.
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02-13-2008, 16:53
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Get your handy dandy DV Video Recorder. A picture is worth a thousand words. Set the date and time and start recording from a distance of all the antics of their little angles. If you have to get close put it under your arm as you walk up to get the true picture before they know you have a video.
You might send a few clips to the father and he may then change his tone and try to get the house in order. All else fails and you see the CG show him the video's and he will then light up the parents (Father) first. It has worked well for me and a few friends in Fayetteville and VA.
Good luck with the kids....
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