Make The Choice - Page 3

Books · 06-13-2007, 18:16

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Originally Posted by Goggles Pizano

Not much unless your preference is for lying, scheming, two faced plagerizing nepotists! Then what do I know I just live here. The land of the liberal...'tis silly place!

Doesn't that describe all polititians?

x-factor · 06-13-2007, 18:38

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Originally Posted by Goggles Pizano

Not much unless your preference is for lying, scheming, two faced plagerizing nepotists! Then what do I know I just live here. The land of the liberal...'tis silly place!

The Republican field ain't exactly pocket aces either.

SOKOOLJ · 06-13-2007, 18:47

SHAR,
Thanks for the post, you have given me a basis for some of my own homework.

Sionnach · 06-13-2007, 18:53

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Originally Posted by x-factor

The Republican field ain't exactly pocket aces either.

I think this thread is evidence of that. But I believe Goggles was referring to Joe Biden. I concur with his assessment.

x-factor · 06-13-2007, 19:41

I know he was. I was responding more to the "land of the liberal" jab than the critique of Biden, which certainly has some truth to it. In anycase, no candidate is perfect, but you've got to order off the menu and he's the one I like best so far.

Honestly, whoever wins, my greatest hope for the election is just that it be an honorable and thorough debate rather than the sideshows we've had the last couple of runs. At this point regaining some integrity in the political process is more important to me than a partisan win.

Just one dude's opinion...

82ndtrooper · 06-13-2007, 21:20

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

I am going to concur with the popular opinion here.

I do not think that this will be the pairing, I agree that the GOP under the leadership of the POTUS has abandoned its core values, and I will probably stay at home if those are the nominees or vote for an independent. Fred is already jumping in the polls without spending a dime. Even if he does not raise the kind of money Romney has (for all of the good it is doing him), he can run effectively with small internet donations, ala Dean. After all, it is four years later, and the game has changed further.

Frankly, I do not see much difference between Rudy and Hillary's positions. One would be as bad as the other.

Since you seem to be a big Giuliani fan, Counselor, where exactly do he and Hillary disagree, other than in their party affiliation?

Then explain how he is going to win when a third of his party stays home or votes for an Indy.

TR

Maybe I've been asleep for a couple of days but what Independents are their to even consider ?

Guiliani, while as socially liberal as Hillary at least understands that tax revenues driven by a loose money supply to the consumers (tax payers) balances budgets and in fact creates a surplus. Democrats have alway's championed their ability to create a budget surplus but have yet to actually spend the suplus for any of their social pet rock projects. They, democrats have alway's left the surplus in place for the Republicans to spend it on necessary endeavors and then use this spending as a talking point on the Sunday morning talkshows. Hillary has promised to raise the individual tax rates and to repeal the Bush tax breaks to the highest income earners and yet each and every one in the crowd that she engages applauds loudly as if she is giving them gifts like Oprah Winfrey.

Sheep following the herd without any clue that they are being lead to the edge of the cliff. It's actually hard to watch so many Americans with so little understanding of how their new "free health care" is going to be funded. And let's not forget that Hillary wants a national data base of all your medical records. Just in case your on vacation and have to visit the nearest ER for a sprained ankle. If you happen to take a anti depressent for sleep then your going to part of the data base that disallows you to purchase firearms. Tricks of the trade without ever having to mention the "gun control" issue.

As of today at least on poll has Fred Thompson neck and neck with Rudy Guiliani. Of course the democratic strategist interviewed this evening on H&C and O'Reilly dismiss it as a fluke. It's no fluke.

Shar · 06-13-2007, 21:53

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Originally Posted by 82ndtrooper

Guiliani, while as socially liberal as Hillary at least understands that tax revenues driven by a loose money supply to the consumers (tax payers) balances budgets and in fact creates a surplus.

In all the reading I've done today you've nailed where they are the most different - and I'd say 100% opposite. Rudy is about tax cuts and being fiscally conservative, Hillary will take them away at the quickest opportunity and spend ---- because it takes a village people!!!

A few other interesting tidbits...

Giuliani is credited for creating the "perp walk"

Hillary isn't really human

HOLLiS · 06-13-2007, 23:16

Regardless of who wants who or don't want who, this is still early. Go back four years and see who was top dog this time of year, and see who made it, or go back 8 years. Ten months from now we will have a better picture on who will run.

A small note" 4 years ago, on the D's were slugging it out for top dog.

82ndtrooper · 06-14-2007, 04:47

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Originally Posted by Shar

In all the reading I've done today you've nailed where they are the most different - and I'd say 100% opposite. Rudy is about tax cuts and being fiscally conservative, Hillary will take them away at the quickest opportunity and spend ---- because it takes a village people!!!

A few other interesting tidbits...

Giuliani is credited for creating the "perp walk"

Hillary isn't really human

At this point I'm convinced that Hillary is in fact the Democratic nominee for POTUS in 08. The Clintons are an evil pair, willing to fight dirty, corrupt to a point of stomach sickness and have the backing by George Soro's and other large contributors to her compaign. She also has the benefit of a left friendly media. Interesting is that of those polled female college graduates can't stand her while non college gradutes are the ones blinded by a false sense of loyalty to the first female POTUS concept regardless of the corruption that Hillary that is capable of.

The immigration reform bill is not about being friendly to Mexicans it's about gaining extended family absortian into the registered voting landscape. Estimated that another 40,000,000 extended family members would flood the U.S. and they are most certainly going to vote democrat. They dont know any better and they dont have too. Just getting them registered to vote provides the democrats with an estimated 52,000,000 votes in at least the next election cycle. Hillary is all for this as are Chuck Shumer, Harry Ried and every other liberal bobble head in congress and senate. It's sad that the only way democrats can see socializing America is to force a major infiltration of immigrants. They seem to be unable to forcast long term consequences of their legilative action. As if I should have been surprised.

Personally I think Fred Thompson is not nearly as strong as I'd like him to be in the few interviews that I've witnessed. He needs to brings the claws out and it's not happening. At least not yet. Perhaps he'll throw them out once he's announced he is actually running.

I cannot vote for Rudy but I can vote for Fred.

HOLLiS · 06-14-2007, 07:48

82nd, I agree the Clintons are a force to be careful with. There is some speculation that in last election B. Clinton had his operation when he did so he did not have to really campaign for Kerry. I think it is probably a strong desire of Hillary to become the first female POTUS. If Kerry would have been elected the D's candidate for president could have been tied up for at least 8 years or longer.

Probably between now and Jan. 2008 will determine how well Senator Thompson will do. One advantage of being in Oregon, our primary is later than most.

I think this will be a very interesting election. With both parties open as to whom will run. The D's tend to be very good at bleeding themselves in the primary, especially when the stakes are as open as they are. That could help any Republican candidate.

Currently, as with other here, I feel Senator Thompson is the best choice. A lot can happen between now and a year from now.

jon1481 · 06-14-2007, 08:32

not much of a choice....

..............Fred Thompson....would be a better choice for me. It's still early and elections have a way of changing the front leaders....remember Howard Dean?

**Team Sergeant** · 01-30-2008, 08:04

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

Hmmmm, perhaps we need a wager on who the nominees will be since you people don't think I know things . . .

In any event, this poll is designed to test what our members will do if this ends up being the matchup, so please humor me.

You still know things?

Giuliani sees presidential hopes unravel in Florida
Sheldon Alberts , Canwest News Service
Published: Wednesday, January 30, 2008
WASHINGTON - It will go down as one of the biggest flops in U.S. presidential campaign history.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/wo...b-7fa635e7abc9

LOL

**Roguish Lawyer** · 01-30-2008, 09:27

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

You still know things?

Giuliani sees presidential hopes unravel in Florida
Sheldon Alberts , Canwest News Service
Published: Wednesday, January 30, 2008
WASHINGTON - It will go down as one of the biggest flops in U.S. presidential campaign history.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/wo...b-7fa635e7abc9

LOL

LOL, I admit I was wrong. I think this shows that you can't bypass the early primaries and ignore the momentum factor, which is huge.

Notably, the race appears to be coming down to McCain v. Romney -- two other RINOs.

SFS0AVN · 01-30-2008, 09:29

I'll wait till the ballots come out, then I'll see who I want to vote AGAINST. There probably won't be anybody I want to vote FOR.

**Roguish Lawyer** · 01-30-2008, 09:30

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Originally Posted by SFS0AVN

I'll wait till the ballots come out, then I'll see who I want to vote AGAINST. There probably won't be anybody I want to vote FOR.

This is how I feel also. I don't know how I'm going to vote next week.