02-18-2007, 10:24
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Oh boy...
Oh, I agree with all of your statements. I meant Islam at it's core.
Just like with all other religions, the teachings and meanings behind the words are often conveluted. Religion is flawed because it is spread by man.
In the Q'uran, it actually states that anyone who does not believe in God. Not the Muslim God, but God, reguardless of religion. The passage is meant as non-believers in a God. In other words, atheists.
I do agree that in the past 50 years or so Islam has been warped into a meaning behind terrorism, but Christianity was too. Examples: the Crusades, the Incquisition, etc.
Religion has always been used to spread agenda.
Let me clarify though, I hate every terrorist out there. I lost a few good friends out there and 3,000 more brothers and sisters. But I can't help but think that we (as a world) have brought this upon ourselves. Just in the 20th century alone the world shat all over the middle east so of course they're going to be a little bitter. What better way to convince people to fight a larger, better equipt force then tell them "God" is on their side?
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02-18-2007, 10:58
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... I meant Islam at it's core....In the Q'uran, it actually states that anyone who does not believe in God.....
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jwt5;
There is no core to islam. The Qu'ran was basicly written in two parts. The first was the peaceful part. The second, written as Muhammad gained power, is full of the blood, sword and hate part. The words of the Qu'ran, as it is believed, came to Muhammad when he was in a state of trace.
The Hadith, or Sunnah are the words of Muhammad when he was not in a state of trace.
All his words are to be taken in order with the later superseding the former. It is here that the muslim mind begins to run in circles. Because it is all the word of Muhammed it is all true, but because the later supersedes the former, the former is wrong, but its is true, but it's..... "Oh, heck, I'll just do what the imam tells me to".
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02-18-2007, 11:15
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Originally Posted by jwt5
Oh boy...
Oh, I agree with all of your statements. I meant Islam at it's core.
Just like with all other religions, the teachings and meanings behind the words are often conveluted. Religion is flawed because it is spread by man.
In the Q'uran, it actually states that anyone who does not believe in God. Not the Muslim God, but God, reguardless of religion. The passage is meant as non-believers in a God. In other words, atheists.
I do agree that in the past 50 years or so Islam has been warped into a meaning behind terrorism, but Christianity was too. Examples: the Crusades, the Incquisition, etc.
Religion has always been used to spread agenda.
Let me clarify though, I hate every terrorist out there. I lost a few good friends out there and 3,000 more brothers and sisters. But I can't help but think that we (as a world) have brought this upon ourselves. Just in the 20th century alone the world shat all over the middle east so of course they're going to be a little bitter. What better way to convince people to fight a larger, better equipt force then tell them "God" is on their side?
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You sound like an apologist making excuses for Islamic terrorism. You might want to do some better research and use the spell checker before posting again.
Perhaps you should also read this thread before continuing, as we have been over this all before.
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ead.php?t=1033
What region has not been "shat upon" at some point in their history? The better question is what region has had the influx of financial wealth that the Middle East has, yet has distributed so little of it and done so little with it, while blaming outside entities to divert attention from their own internal problems.
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02-18-2007, 12:04
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Pete,
Good point. That's probably why there are so many people (in most religions) that just go to church, temple, etc, and don't try to study anymore of the topic. It's just easier to sit and listen. 
Reaper,
I am in no way an apologist for terrorists, I just prefer to base my arguments from both sides and play the 'devil's advocate' at times.
Also, thanks for pointing me to that thread! Very enlightening, and seeing how it's all been covered already, I'll go back to reading. 
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