Kimber ??? - Page 2

NousDefionsDoc · 01-21-2007, 09:47

You broke it already? DAMN!

Team Sergeant, please quit laughing at him. No telling what he'll do to those people when he gets riled up. I've known him since '89 and I've only ever seen him "upset" twice. It wasn't pretty.

**Bill Harsey** · 01-21-2007, 10:00

I've been thinking about this thread a little since reading it last night and it seems like good information is being put forth.

At the risk of interupting the work of all the Team Sergeants gunsmiths, what is the best possible result here?
It is to have a reliable good shooting handgun, bottom line period and I don't care who makes it.

You guys are already tracking on this part but let me underline it from an industry point of view. The manufacturer NEEDS to know what's going wrong, this has to be stated to them at the highest level you can reach and please keep hammering. Yes, I know this takes some time and shouldn't have to be done but the makers need to know and this may cause positive change.
Doing nothing guarantees nothing will get done.

If the manufacturer chooses to not solve the problem, then do not buy stuff from them and advise others the same.

Edited to add: When trying to solve a design/function issue with a manufacturer and things aren't going your way, ask for the PRODUCT or CATEGORY Manager who is in charge of the product in question.

out here.

HOLLiS · 01-21-2007, 10:39

Bill, I agree, manufacturers need to be responsive. I would venture to say, many firearms that are purchased because they have the "look" and will never be used. There is a very large population of people who can keep these non responsive manufactures in business building show/safe queens.

I always thought it was amazing a person would buy a firearm NIB, then spend a large quanity of money on it, to make it shoot.

chance · 01-21-2007, 14:21

If it was my pistol I would send it back and get it fixed, You might of just got a bad one s#%t happens. My daily CCW is a custom 2 and after reading this thread i went and counted all the empty boxes of ammo I need to reload, and there is over 5000 plus rounds though mine and thats with anything from UMC to Hydra shocks.

**Team Sergeant** · 01-21-2007, 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Harsey

I've been thinking about this thread a little since reading it last night and it seems like good information is being put forth.

At the risk of interupting the work of all the Team Sergeants gunsmiths, what is the best possible result here?
It is to have a reliable good shooting handgun, bottom line period and I don't care who makes it.

You guys are already tracking on this part but let me underline it from an industry point of view. The manufacturer NEEDS to know what's going wrong, this has to be stated to them at the highest level you can reach and please keep hammering. Yes, I know this takes some time and shouldn't have to be done but the makers need to know and this may cause positive change.
Doing nothing guarantees nothing will get done.

If the manufacturer chooses to not solve the problem, then do not buy stuff from them and advise others the same.

Edited to add: When trying to solve a design/function issue with a manufacturer and things aren't going your way, ask for the PRODUCT or CATEGORY Manager who is in charge of the product in question.

out here.

Bill,

There's never been a pistol more worked on in the history of America than the 1911.

If you do a google search for "1911 parts" you get 1,680,000 hits. (You think there may be a correlation there?

)

The 1911 is an antique, historic, old-fashioned and out-of-date design.

You get what you pay for....

TS

kgoerz · 01-21-2007, 15:29

I mostly bought it for nostalgia reasons, The 1911 is definitely past it's time with all the new .45 Cal pistols on the market. Glock, HK, Springfield....etc.

kgoerz · 01-21-2007, 15:30

Just Kidding....

**Team Sergeant** · 01-21-2007, 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgoerz

I mostly bought it for nostalgia reasons

funny, I also "saved" one for the same "nostalgia" reason. It was sold to me by a plank holder in the "unit" and all it does now is sit quietly in the safe and collect dust.

Not kidding.

Good luck with your Kimber. You may want to make an offering to the 1911 gods. Some sort of blood sacrifice or simple blood letting might work.

**Roguish Lawyer** · 01-21-2007, 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgoerz

Glock

I am a bit surprised the TS didn't take this bait too . . .

Guy · 01-21-2007, 15:57

RL,

The Glock rules!

Stay safe.

kgoerz · 01-21-2007, 16:58

Actually I have had my eye on the new Spring Field SD. I think thats what it is called. I read several reviews and handled it in a Gun Shop and they were all good, never shot it of course. Anyone have any experience firing it. I did buy the Kimber partly for nostalgia reasons, not kidding. Always wanted a 1911, plus I used it in the Army so I didn't have to retrain myself a whole lot.

Air.177 · 01-21-2007, 17:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

1911 clones, keeping 10,000 American gunsmiths employed.

Between 1911s and Dremel tools, the future of the American gunsmithing industry looks pretty secure from here.

All it takes is a Dremel and A dream

AngelsSix · 01-21-2007, 18:05

I have several Kimbers. I have a Tac Pro also and have had the same damn problems. The company pulled the same crap with me when I sent it back. I also have a full-size model with an internal extractor with which I have had ZERO problems. I truly feel that the smaller versions (newer versions) with the external extractors are a PITA as far as feed mals are concerned. I have a real love for my full-size 1911's, but they are too large for me to carry concealed on my small frame without serious printing. I have a Les Baer custom that I want to carry, but it is just too big. We carry Glocks at the department and when I start full-time they will issue me one. I guess I will carry it if I feel confident in it......but I doubt it will earn my trust the way my 1911's have.

Smokin Joe · 01-22-2007, 05:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgoerz

Actually I have had my eye on the new Spring Field SD. I think thats what it is called. I read several reviews and handled it in a Gun Shop and they were all good, never shot it of course. Anyone have any experience firing it. I did buy the Kimber partly for nostalgia reasons, not kidding. Always wanted a 1911, plus I used it in the Army so I didn't have to retrain myself a whole lot.

Kgoerz,

I carry a Kimber Warrior with a Surefire X200B as my duty weapon. I have about 1,500 rounds through it without a hiccup. Even the Team Sergeant has shot it.

Sounds like yours has developed a hiccup for some unknown reason. I'd send it back, you know how the saying goes the squeaky wheel gets the oil. Kimber should do you right, if not sell it. I'd also drop them a note as TR suggested they usually take good care of Military and LEO's knowing how we use their weapons.

I also have experience with the Springfield XD's. They run like a Glock with a 1911/ Sig Grip angle. The only bad thing I can say about them is I personally do not like the trigger on them. There is a lot of take up, some over travel (like the Glock), and a lot of travel to reset the trigger. I know its splitting hairs but I'm picking about my triggers.

HTH, and Good luck,

SJ

**Team Sergeant** · 01-22-2007, 09:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokin Joe

I carry a Kimber Warrior with a Surefire X200B as my duty weapon. I have about 1,500 rounds through it without a hiccup. Even the Team Sergeant has shot it.

Smokin Joe is a cop and he made me shoot his pistol, honest. I didn't want to, too many bad memories. Too many associated malfunction drills to remember with the 1911. Head hurt, got dizzy, cannot remember if I hit the target.

All cleared up once my "man-gun" (HK USP .45) was back in my hands. No malfunction induced headaches, no reloading after seven rounds fired. Dizziness quickly faded. Went right back to shooting bullet holes through bullet holes.

TS