09-09-2006, 09:53
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Thanks Mel!
+1 on the photos. My XTL in ACU should be here in about 4 weeks. I can't wait to get it.
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09-13-2006, 16:43
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Originally Posted by Mel
Hey guys, for those of you wondering about how to use one of our XTL's on your ALICE packs, here's a link to a thread on our message board with some pics I took of an XTL on an ALICE. I also explain how I did it. Hope this might help you guys that were interested in this setup.
http://forums.kifaru.net/ubb/ultimat...=001594#000000
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Really nice setup and thanks for the instructions on how to do this mod.
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09-13-2006, 17:57
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Well, here goes.
I prefer the ALICE pack.
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09-14-2006, 05:47
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Originally Posted by trent
...It is distinct memory the first time I had to sit into a 130 lb pack and roll, crawl, and push my way up and the sweet stab of painful broken frame into your scapula...
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So whose 130 lb ruck were you wearing? I know it wasnt yours young figurado.
130 lbs... lol.
Best of luck on TC3...
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09-14-2006, 08:00
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Originally Posted by trent
There is nothing like that sweet loving caress of your very own ALICE pack. I am sure we have all had a frame or two break on us but hell, thats what 90 mile an hour tape and para cord is made for right? It is distinct memory the first time I had to sit into a 130 lb pack and roll, crawl, and push my way up and the sweet stab of painful broken frame into your scapula... Anyways, the ALICE pack with a little extra love, some McGuyverish rigging, and alot of extra padding will always remain #1 in my book. The point of the matter is that no matter what manufacturer or high speed pack you carry 130 lbs is 130 lbs and it is going to suck, you just have to make yourself love the suck, at least you have a sweet lady with you.
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Wow, advice from a man of vast experience.
How many years you got under that ruck?
TR
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09-14-2006, 08:23
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Rucksacks
This is even before TR's time!! 
Anyone remember the Mountain Rucksack??
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09-14-2006, 08:38
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This is even before TR's time!!
Anyone remember the Mountain Rucksack??
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Had one. And the Jungle Ruck.
Still have the Jungle Ruck frame around here somewhere.
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09-14-2006, 13:48
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Originally Posted by trent
There is nothing like that sweet loving caress of your very own ALICE pack......I had to sit into a 130 lb pack and roll, crawl, and push my way up ......
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130 lbs? How far did you hump with 130 lbs on your back? We never let anyone carry more than 100 lbs. The heaviest load I can remember was Davy Pills loading his pack to 120lbs and the TS (Tiny Young) told him to get it down below 100 lbs. Davy didn't listen and he got a severely sprained ankle on infill. Pissed us all off 'cause we had to break down all his team gear and our packs just got heavier before we could even move off of the DZ.
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09-14-2006, 16:31
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P.S. Edited just for you Crip
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I tried to give you a piece of friendly advice about how to conduct yourself when in someone elses home and I get a smartassed reply out of it.
I will leave you to one of the owners next time. I can assure you they wont be as pleasant and understanding as I.
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09-15-2006, 15:17
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Originally Posted by BMT
This is even before TR's time!!
Anyone remember the Mountain Rucksack??
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One of these??
http://www.atthefront.com/us_gear_mtn_ruck_back.jpg
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09-16-2006, 07:36
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Learning the hard way
Crip,
FWIW, I asked Trent about the 130 lbs as you suggested. Apparently, so the story goes, in the infinite wisdom of SOPC 2, no one bothered to cross load the 240 ammo and he had the gunner's job. About two miles into the FTX, the instructors got tired of yelling at him for falling behind and went to investigate. . . so it goes.
Books.
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04-07-2007, 19:11
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Originally Posted by Mel
Hey guys, for those of you wondering about how to use one of our XTL's on your ALICE packs, here's a link to a thread on our message board with some pics I took of an XTL on an ALICE. I also explain how I did it. Hope this might help you guys that were interested in this setup.
http://forums.kifaru.net/ubb/ultimat...=001594#000000
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I had Willie at General Jacksons mod my Kifaru XTL to fit my large ALICE. It works great and I have a moded top on the ALICE as well (claymore pouch & RTO zipper).
Willie added two straps to the top of the ALICE with male FASTEX connectors. This required changing the top connectors on the XTL to female FASTEXs (the XLT does not come with female FASTEX on the top but does on the bottom).
Willie then added two straps with male FASTEXs on the lower front of the ALICE pack near where the normal top cinch down straps are. It's a very easy mod.
I haven't had a chance yet to carry it under load but I did fill up the ALICE to check it out. It works well. 
With this approach you don't have to cut the existing top cinch straps and if you want to remove the XTL you still have a fully functional ALICE pack.
With the four extra FASTEX connectors on the ALICE pack, any number of smaller packs can now be adapted to piggy back on the ALICE. Just add 4 extra female FASTEXs to the pack and strap it on.
Willie is adding this mod to my medium ALICE pack as well so I can share the XTL between them.
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04-07-2007, 19:42
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Hey Tony, glad to hear that the XTL is working well on your ALICE pack. I've always heard nothing but good things about Willie's ALICE pack mods. That link you posted from our message board isn't working since we upgraded our board, so here is a new link to that thread with the pics:
http://forums.kifaru.net/ubbthreads....ge=3#Post14849
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05-05-2007, 08:47
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Kifaru XTL Mods
I finally got a chance to take some pictures of the Kifaru XTL on the ALICE. First you have to convert the top connector on the XTL to a 1" female Fastex:
http://www.oresteen.com/alice/xtl1.jpg
http://www.oresteen.com/alice/xtl2.jpg
Now you need to sew 1" male Fastexs on the ALICE ruck. I did this to both my large ALICE and meduium ALICE packs (well Wille at General Jacksons did!).
http://www.oresteen.com/alice/topxtl.jpg
http://www.oresteen.com/alice/backxtl.jpg
The XTL will attach nicely to the ALICE even if you have a claymore pouch on the top flap of the ALICE pack.
Here are some views of the XTL on my large ALICE.
http://www.oresteen.com/alice/back2mods.jpg
http://www.oresteen.com/alice/front.jpg
With this ALICE mod you can also attach a patrol pack:
http://www.oresteen.com/alice/ppmod.jpg
http://www.oresteen.com/alice/pptop.jpg
I also moded an M-1967 sleeping bag carrier to use the 4 atachment points:
http://www.oresteen.com/alice/m1967.jpg
http://www.oresteen.com/alice/m1967top.jpg
My ALICE large ruck has a long side pocket, a short side pocket & 2 qt canteen tiedown, a 7" compression bag on the bottom, a mediun pouch in the middle, a claymore pouch on the top, the RTO zipper on the top, carying handle, re-enforced stitching, and a storm flap with a rto zipper. Buckles converted to FASTEX. Mods were done by Willie at General Jacksons & by Tactical Tailoring.
I use Spec OPs HUMP on the inside of the frame to carry a water bladder. Tactical Tailor super straps & waist belt round it out. I like it a lot. I have a desert camo cover that hides all the green if needed (and a white cover for snow as well).
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05-11-2009, 02:59
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ACU or OD
A question for you gentlemen,
I didn't think starting a new thread for this would be a good idea so I tacked it on here I hope that is all right.
I am looking at buying a Tactical Tailor MALICE 3 and adding an HSGI Ali Pad to it. My question is should I buy said gear in OD green or should I buy it in ACU. I much prefer OD but I am just trying to figure out which is the best idea for the future. I don't want to buy this stuff and never get to use it cause the Army has stopped allowing OD as a color for gear or something along those lines which I could envisage with big green weenie radar.
Thoughts and opinions? Thank you in advance. 
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