H&K's new 45ACP offering. - Page 2

M4Guru · 04-18-2006, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Q

I got a thing for Colt's. Especially the 1911 .45. I've got small hands and weak wrists. Ain't dropped it yet. I'm prejudiced against the 9mm. It might be easier to shoot but doesn't have the punch (as you all already know). I've heard through the grapevine that contractors and others are picking up .45's when ever they can because of the knock down capability. They seem to like the heavier cal. long guns too. I.E. 7.62. Looking for M-14's over M-4's. Of course this is just hear say. Can anyone verify??

I found a shit-ton of old USGI 1911's in Iraq, in beautiful shape. A lot of 1919 .30 cals and a few M1 Garands, also. Point is, there are a lot of .45s to be had, apparently left over from what we gave them to fight Iran with was what I was told. I dunno. We never found too much ammo, but I guess there are other methods for that. I had a 1937 Remington Rand that was a keeper for sure...but it was put in the demo pile with all the other gems and blasted when we left...

I think any combat unit that wants M14s is getting them, as well. They're common in Big Army units in decent numbers as a "designated marksman" rifle.

Smokin Joe · 04-18-2006, 22:34

Ah crap another pistol I have to buy. I might have to start selling some safe queens at the rate I'm getting stuff now days.

TS,

I don't think I'm going to have an excuse on why I shouldn't buy this new H&K. I will wait for your review as well but from the looks of it they have address all of my excuses.

HaveBlue · 05-11-2006, 22:55

I got a chance to shoot an earlier prototype of this gun a year ago. Very, Very nice. I own 8 HK"s (most in 45) and 6 1911 style guns. The HK45 combines the best of both. USP barrel & recoil assembly, slimed up slide, 1911 grip angle, a single stack mag (well kinda 1 & 1/2) adjustable back strap and now the change able side panels from th new P30 (P3000) may also be added. There will be full size and Compact. The HK45 Compact uses USP Compact mags. The full size mags will fit in the Compact. Threaded barrel versions will also be offered. Good news is HK is tired of waiting for all the changes in the JCP and other pistol contracts and has pretty much decided to just put the gun into production. We could see them by the fourth quarter of this year. The tan colored guns were the ones submitted for JCP testing, the color was what was requested. Something about less IR than a black gun through NVG's. Productions guns will be offered in tan or black.

12B4S · 05-12-2006, 01:36

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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney

Well who says you can't teach old dogs new tricks? Guess it's time to get retrained. Guess the next thing you'll tell me is that they did away with the metal canteen, the wooden handle entrenching tool and the Davey Crocket?

Herr Colonel....

First. Yep you can have a thumb on the slide. You will not feel it while shooting. That night or the next day, you feel a tingle type thing. No big deal, even after 300 rounds. TS had his hands full, teaching us last Tuesday. It was RL's third time....... all of them with TS. Quite impressive. After all he does live in the land of the grasseater. Hmmmmmmm. to much to type.

However, yeah.... they did away with the metal canteen as you well know.

the reason being, for example, when I was a Boy Scout. If one put soda in a metal canteen, it wrecks it.

I dunno know if they have come up with a super, high tech, space age material for the entrenching tool. Those things were no fun anyway........

DPB · 05-12-2006, 07:00

Q,

From what I've seen, at least for contractors, that's a negative on seeking heavier caliber weapons. The only guys I've seen with .45s appeared to be USMS working in the Green Zone. There is effectively no .45 ammo available, and since late '04/ early '05, the guns haven't been readily available either, due to the reasons M4guru mentioned. Most of the reputable companies are issuing G19s, but there are a few SIGs and 92s floating around as well.

Same for long guns. There are no readily available 7.62 long guns that are as functional around vehicles as M-4s. Truth be told, of all the Army guys I've seen, in both the red and green zones, there aren't very many of them carrying M14s either. Since this is very much a war on wheels, all of the vehicles carry heavier weapons, but Army has the same problems maneuvering longer guns in and out of vehicles while wearing 50 pounds of armor and accessories. Some of the contractor companies still run the roads with AKs, but everyone who can get ARs into country is using ARs.

Add the fact that an increasing number of contracts will fire you if they catch you with a non issued weapon, there are not that many people getting overly creative with the blasters.

HaveBlue · 05-20-2006, 10:01

If you missed the article in SGN there is a full copy of it on Mr. Vickers new website, Vickers Tactical.

vickerstactical.com

DrMark · 06-10-2006, 23:06

I'm looking forward to this HK45. I thought my USP Compact 45 would be my only 45 ACP H&K... apparently not.

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Originally Posted by M4Guru

Larry Vickers has stated he is no longer in the 1911 business, unless it's to fill paid orders on his wait list. He says this is his new 1911...

You never forget your first love...
http://www.vickerstactical.com/VT1911.htm

x SF med · 06-15-2006, 09:26

OK, I feel old now, I still use a modified Weaver hold - non firing thumb under firing pinky, non firing hand supporting firing hand. I might just have to break down and buy one of the new HKs, nice looking weapon, I'll see if there are any for testing at the local range.

HOLLiS · 06-15-2006, 13:51

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Originally Posted by M4Guru

I found a shit-ton of old USGI 1911's in Iraq, in beautiful shape. A lot of 1919 .30 cals and a few M1 Garands, also. Point is, there are a lot of .45s to be had, apparently left over from what we gave them to fight Iran with was what I was told. I dunno. We never found too much ammo, but I guess there are other methods for that. I had a 1937 Remington Rand that was a keeper for sure...but it was put in the demo pile with all the other gems and blasted when we left...

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Those might have been captured from Iran. Iranis had western base/US weapons the Iraqis were part of the Soviet base.

Though the West delcared a neutral stance between Iraq and Iran weapons was suppplied to Iran, when Iraqi forces were making serious headway in to Iran. By 1985 Iran was able to reverse the gains the Iraqis made. The west made a offer to Iran and the Irani pretty much told what the west what to do with the offer. After that all western support ended. The war dragged on for another 3 years. The support was based on not allowing the Soviets to extend it's influence to enclude Iran.

**Team Sergeant** · 06-15-2006, 14:17

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Originally Posted by x_sf_med

OK, I feel old now, I still use a modified Weaver hold - non firing thumb under firing pinky, non firing hand supporting firing hand.

If you're still using the Weaver you are old...... most using it still carry six shooters.

Come on out to Phoenix (when it drops below 100 degrees) and we'll go shooting.

TS

x SF med · 06-15-2006, 17:04

TS-
If I can get time off work you have a deal, haven't been to Phoenix in a long time. Now if I can just figure out how to get vetted... and get through the NJ maze to own a handgun again.

But you do have to admit the Weaver is a good stable platform, and places the barrel directly between the eyes, w/o forcing a locked elbow on either arm.

rubberneck · 06-15-2006, 18:07

x_sf_med, where in NJ are you? If you have any questions regarding NJ archaic gun laws send me a pm and I help you out.

FMA11 · 11-13-2006, 11:12

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread but does anyone know when this model will be available to the public? I can't seem to get a straight answer on the web.

Thanks in advance.

jbour13 · 11-13-2006, 11:38

The program is suspended as far as SOCOM is concerned, it may still be up for grabs in the civilian sector though. The 9mm version has been ordered by German Customs Administration ordered 13,500 for their personnel. I still hope there is a future for this, just because I want one.

HaveBlue · 11-16-2006, 00:05

HK has announced at a recent event at Blackwater that the guns are going into production despite the JCP cancellation. Should be on our shores first quarter of 2007 (once it gets thru all the BATF BS). Guns will be all black. The full size will have replaceable side panels to adjust palm swell. The Compact will be the version shown in SGN with only the replaceable back panel.
The 9mm gun that the German Custom bought is the P30 (formerly P3000) basically a P2000 with replaceable side panels.