04-29-2006, 16:17
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The feds have earned their rep! I have only been with a sheriff's dept since 1980; but I have seen the feds come in and want our intel and info but give nothing up themselves; pick and chose what cases they will take....usually the ones that are already worked up with physical evidence..... openly look down on and talk down to local officers.........some of that is not the individual officers fault; some of the blame goes to the US prosecutors.....
The other side of the coin is that they can often get the bad guys longer sentences in federal courts, pool assets locals don't have, and help take investigation into surrounding states.
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04-29-2006, 16:57
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Yeah, or the mafia in Jersey. 
The real issue is that the Feds have a deservedly bad rep for jumping in late on a case, crapping on the locals, taking credit if it is successfully concluded, and leaving the state or locals holding the bag if it goes bad.
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I am all for the fed being able to go after a sheriff if he has ties to the mob. In fact they have with a good deal of success. While the feds have a bad rep (sometimes deservedly so) there have also been plenty of times in recent history where the Feds were the only ones that had interest in enforcing the law.
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Do you think the FBI had a major positive impact on the civil rights movement?
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Yes, if for no other reason than they were able to effectively infiltrate the Klan and get federal convicitions against all the major players. The Klan went from being a major force against the civil rights movement to a bad joke in less than 10 years. I think the FBI desrves some credit for that.
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04-29-2006, 17:16
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That is because you are from NJ. The FBI didn't get the Klan. The FBI couldn't find it's own ass with both hands.
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04-29-2006, 17:44
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That is because you are from NJ.
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I am not from NJ, I just happen to live here currently.
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The FBI didn't get the Klan. The FBI couldn't find it's own ass with both hands.
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If the FBI didn't get the Klan then who managed to get all those convictions?
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04-29-2006, 18:54
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Might want to do a little research. The FBI was investigating the civil rights movement. Check King's comments and the suits filed. They only looked at the KKK after the pressure got too great. It was obvious by that time that the civil rights movement was going to suceed.
Most of the KKK's trouble ended up being financial from seizures etc. Sort of like getting Capone for income tax evasion. Not impressive.
The KKK is cyclical anyway. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we see a resurgence because of illegal immigration.
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04-29-2006, 18:56
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Oh, and all of what convictions?
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04-29-2006, 19:02
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The KKK experienced another, less successful resurgence during the 1960s as African Americans won civil rights gains in the South. Opposed to the civil rights movement and its attempt to end racial segregation and discrimination, the Klan capitalized on the fears of whites, to grow to a membership of about twenty thousand. It portrayed the civil rights movement as a Communist, Jewish conspiracy, and it engaged in terrorist acts designed to frustrate and intimidate the movement's members. KKK adherents were responsible for acts such as the 1963 bombing of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama, in which four young black girls were killed and many others injured, and the 1964 murder of civil rights workers Michael Schwerner, Andrew Goodman, and James Chaney, in Mississippi. The Klan was also responsible for many other beatings, murders, and bombings, including attacks on the Freedom Riders, who sought to integrate interstate buses.
In many instances, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), then under the control of J. Edgar Hoover, had intelligence that would have led to the prevention of Klan violence or conviction of its perpetrators. However, the FBI did little to oppose the Klan during the height of the civil rights movement.
By the 1980s and 1990s, the Klan had shrunk to under ten thousand members and had splintered into several organizations. However, it increasingly cooperated with a proliferating number of other white supremacist groups, including the Order and Aryan Nations. Like these groups, the KKK put new emphasis on whites as an "oppressed majority" victimized by affirmative action and other civil rights measures.
The Klan's campaign of hatred has spurred opposition from many fronts, including Klanwatch, an organization started by lawyer and civil rights activist Morris Dees in 1980. The group is affiliated with Dees's Southern Poverty Law Center, in Montgomery, Alabama. In 1987, Dees won a $7 million civil suit against the Alabama-based United Klans of America for the 1981 murder of a nineteen-year-old man. The suit drove that Klan organization into bankruptcy.
The KKK suffered another setback in 1990, when the Georgia Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of that state's Anti-Mask Act (Ga. Code Ann. § 16-11-38) by a vote of 6-1 (State v. Miller, 260 Ga. 669, 398 S.E.2d 547). The case involved a Klan member who had been arrested for wearing full Klan regalia, including mask, in public and had claimed a First Amendment right to wear such clothing. The court ruled that the law, first passed in 1951, protected a state interest in safeguarding the right of the people to exercise their civil rights and to be free from violence and intimidation. It held that the law did not interfere with the defendant's freedom of speech.
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04-29-2006, 19:03
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The FBI couldn't find it's own ass with both hands.
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Now, now-I have had nothing but good fortune with the FBI. I have been fortunate never to have had to depend on them for anything, I have been fortunate to find the snub-nosed .38 that one of their weenie agents who was in the reserves had stuffed in his belt during my JMPI before he would have lost it on the opening shock, I have had good fortune in having them only as a back up on a sting operation to nail one of my slicksters who was ripping off weapons and toting stuff he ought not to have been toting in places he ought not be, I have had good fortune and who would have gotten away with it if I had followed their lead, etc, etc, etc.
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04-30-2006, 01:05
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Also didn't the Wyoming and Montana's challenge the Mandatory firearms check required by the Fed on the basis of involuntary servatude?
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As far as I know they did. I lived in Montana for a few years and I remember a friend of mine from there mentioning something about this. It didn't fly however, the background check forms are still being used. Depending on who you ask though its just because MT and WY decided to play nice.
Montana also doesn't have a state sales tax (not for lack of some poeple trying) on the grounds that it is taxation without representation.
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05-01-2006, 19:49
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What mafia? Never heard of such a thing.
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05-01-2006, 19:52
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I believe you yankees call them "Waste Disposal Companies" or some such.
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05-01-2006, 21:00
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the 1964 murder of civil rights workers Michael Schwerner, Andrew Goodman, and James Chaney, in Mississippi.
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Oddly enough, it was the mob that solved that case, not the FBI. 
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05-01-2006, 23:46
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The case of the three civil rights workers killed in MS was never successfully investigated, tried and convicted. Originally from MS, and still there when this took place, not to mention the county this took place in is the next county to my orignal home I have a good idea of several involved in the incident. The majority of those directly involved in the killingswere questioned and that is as far as it went. There were, and still are, very tight lips about this and I honestly doubt if the world will ever know much more than they do know about the killings.
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05-02-2006, 07:59
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Not exactly.
If you are referring to the three civil rights workers (James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner) killed on 21 June, 1964 near Philadelphia, MS, 18 men were arrested. In 1967, seven of them were convicted on federal conspiracy charges and given sentences of three to ten years. On Jan. 7, 2005, Edgar Ray Killen was charged with three counts of murder. Killen was convicted on three counts of manslaughter, a lesser charge. He received the maximum sentence, 60 years in prison.
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05-02-2006, 23:45
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I didn't say there where no arrests or convictions. James Edgar was just a pure and simple loud mouth redneck. There were a bunch of players that never got anything but an interview. I doubt any of them are still alive now and the entire truth and facts about the entire killings will never be known now.
What is being overlooked in this whoe deal is the incident took place in the deep south. The civil rights workers were from up north. The FBI agents were from the "outside" also. This area is still somewhat funny about that. The talk was about a sheriff in WY. In the 60's a sheriff in MS was somthing else. Even in the 80's in these particular counties.
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