Claymores

[ODA572]

Start with the Claymore. It's the best chance for hits because the eneny is on his feet. Open with a SAW and most everybody hits the dirt leaving little for the Claymore to hit. The dust and smoke from the Claymore may provide concealment for the enemy, but not cover. If a kill zone is obscured it is still a kill zone. The biggest danger in an ambush is the enemy coming forward right thru it. You must suppress that possibility even if you can't see him after the Claymore. It's funny too how many ambushers are not prepared for the ambush failing and have an RP established.





"We've got to learn to think beyond our guns."
William Holden as "Pike" in "The Wild Bunch".

[Trip_Wire (RIP)]

Originally Posted by casey

LOL Pete -

Is there anyone who has ever - ever heard these words on a demo range and not had bad shit happen?????

Oh Yeah!!

From some EOD Types too!

[longrange1947]

Originally Posted by ODA572

Start with the Claymore. It's the best chance for hits because the eneny is on his feet. Open with a SAW and most everybody hits the dirt leaving little for the Claymore to hit. The dust and smoke from the Claymore may provide concealment for the enemy, but not cover. If a kill zone is obscured it is still a kill zone. The biggest danger in an ambush is the enemy coming forward right thru it. You must suppress that possibility even if you can't see him after the Claymore. It's funny too how many ambushers are not prepared for the ambush failing and have an RP established.





"We've got to learn to think beyond our guns."
William Holden as "Pike" in "The Wild Bunch".

I've seen the clay not go off and everyone is waiting for it to go. We always initiated with auto fire and on the first shot the clays were fired. Everyone was standing anyway because the time delay is fractional. If the clay did not go off due to whatever, then atleast the ambush went.

Been there comment as well.

[QRQ 30]

The results of using trees depdnds on the tree. There is a huge difference between Carolina Pines and SEA Mohagony. I, as I am sure AM and others can attest to instances when someone got the bright idea of cutting down trees with claymores to clear an LZ. The result was singed bark and perhaps a few frag wounds of varying severity. I got bored on a radio relay sight and fired an entire case of M-79 rounds at a large limb about 50 - 100 M away. Once I was zeroed in I hit it almost every shot. The result was again a little bark knocked off of the branch and a shoulder I couldn't move for a few days.

I have a film clip of a demo ambush I used in RVN. If I figure out how to cut out what I want I'll post it. We placed WP in fromt of the claymores. The film is beautiful showing the arc of the WP . We fired the mines, everyone emptied a magazine into the KZ and then we split. I did this several times and was never seriously pursued.

[Jack Moroney (RIP)]

Originally Posted by longrange1947

I've seen the clay not go off and everyone is waiting for it to go. We always initiated with auto fire and on the first shot the clays were fired. Everyone was standing anyway because the time delay is fractional.

Same here. At least those that had a target could still engage it without trying to sort through all the debris and crap suspended in the kill zone from the claymore not to mention the inevitable jump when it went off when you least expected it. We always attempted simultaneous engagement when possible with the exception of those that were set out for night time perimeter security as the primary means of taking out someone closing in on your site when it was more prudent to break contact using the claymore as the primary means or engaging them first without giving away our positions by muzzle flash before we knew with what we were dealing.

Jack Moroney-remembering to always check those claymores before being set out in case some enterprizing little folk had been plucking the C4 out of them to heat their rice water. Talk about a sickening feeling when the first sound to break the stillness of the jungle night was that damn clicking sound with no follow up "boom"!

[HOLLiS]

Originally Posted by longrange1947

I've seen the clay not go off and everyone is waiting for it to go.

We use to have claymore inspections. Seems we never got heat tabs and C-4 make a great heat source. Seem some did not like our improvision when making hot chow.