Black militia group wants to arrest Trayvon Martin shooter

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Brother, we aren't the ones who are making a big deal out of the victim's race.

Or Zimmerman's.

TR

[Paslode]

This story gets uglier by the day....

'Wanted Dead or Alive' poster issued for George Zimmerman by New Black Panther Party
Sanford : FL : USA | Mar 23, 2012 at 3:11 PM PDT
By Harold Michael Harvey SelectMedia

Wanted Dead or Alive Posted issued by New Black Panther Party for George Zimmerson phto (c) 2012 Harold Michael Harvey
The New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense have posted a wanted dead or alive poster for George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin Case

Adele Azarrucquoi shocked at reference to Black Power at New Black Panther Party press conference (c) 2012 by Harold Michael Harvey

Yesterday afternoon at a press conference, the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense circulated a “wanted dead or alive” poster for George Zimmerman for shooting to death a Florida teenager four weeks ago.

Zimmerman, a self-proclaimed neighborhood watch captain, said he accosted what he alleges was a suspicious looking black male walking through his neighborhood. He further contends the man punched him and bloodied his nose, so Zimmerman fired a gun shot striking the man in the chest. The “man” was 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who would lie in the county morgue three days before police alerted his parents of their child’s death.

Minister Mikhail Muhummud led the press conference, calling for the firing of Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee, the arrest of George Zimmerman and some involvement from President Obama. Muhummud stated he is the southern regional director for the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense located in Jacksonville, Florida. While Minister Muhummud fired off a list of demands and expressed outrage over the handling of the shooting and subsequent investigation, a member of the group passed flyers to about 100 people who showed up for the press conference. Muhummud told the group he was not concerned with rumors of death threats to George Zimmerman, “He should be afraid for his life…” (SEE http://youtu.be/ZE_i9TELcfw)

Muhummud said, “I’m here today to appeal to the country, particularly President Obama, to do the right thing while you have the power.” He said that “Trayvon Martin symbolizes my son.”

President Obama had not addressed the issue, but had advised the Justice Department to open an investigation into the case. This morning following Muhummud’s press conference, President Obama spoke about the case for the first time publicly. He echoed the sentiments of Muhummud saying “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon...” (SEE http://youtu.be/efZNgSEpB1k).

When the group started chanting “Black Power,” Ms. Adele Azarucquoi, a white long time resident of Sanford shouted, “What about White people.”

Muhummud quickly said, “We don’t hate any group. We hate injustice. We appreciate the whites who have come forth to help us.”

There were less than a dozen whites, not counting media, among the mostly African American crowd. “I hope there are more people who look like me at the next rally for Trayvon’s family,” Ms. Azarucquoi said.

After the news conference Ms. Azarucquoi told a journalist, “This heart of mine is sick when a kid gets killed because his skin is different from the skin of the guy who shoots him.”

She then requested that a journalist walk across the street with her to speak with Police Chief Bill Lee. Upon arrival at his office the receptionist said he wasn’t in the office then said “he hasn’t been in the office in several days.”

Later in the day Chief Lee announced he was temporarily stepping down.

Present at the news conference was Ms. Mildred Duprey de Robles, Conciliation Specialist for the United States Justice Department’s Office of Community Relations. Ms. Duprey de Robles declined to speak with the press other than to say she was there as an observer.

The Justice Department’s Office of Community Relations is mandated to help negotiate peaceful resolutions to community problems. She appeared to have gotten an ear full and left quickly when the press insisted on more communication from her.

Members of the public who came in support of the New Black Panther Party’s press conference were vocal in their outrage over the shooting and investigation. They called for the dismantling of “the good ole boy network.”

Pastor Paul Wright, whose 1000 member church, Calvary Temple Praises, is several blocks from the police department, dropped by the press conference. When asked about the “wanted dead or alive” poster Pastor Wright said, “I don’t agree with that. We don’t need to set a precedent that this is the way to resolve problems.”

[kgoerz]

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/new...erman-03232012

It would explain a lot. Has anyone else noticed how yesterday the news was covering this non stop. But overnight it's become third page news. Think the media is backing off because they know something.
But the fact that Zimmerman initiated contact and is known by 911 dispatchers because he calls so often. Still bothers me. If he branded his weapon, Martin could of been in fear for his life and attacked.

[lindy]

I wonder if the President will speak out against this shooting at MSU?

Violence happens all the time and seems to be colorblind.

[JJ_BPK]

Some interesting pictures are popping up..

The original choir boy picture of TM at 12-13 yo and TM's FB pictures, that have mysteriously disappeared???..

GZ in what looks like a day-glow orange (actually looks like a red polo) county road gang work shirt and GZ's in a business suit..

Which picture would you use to get YOUR story across???

No Bias here.. NOT...

[akv]

Prayers Out, that the facts are examined here , and justice is done.

What are the odds,

1) Roger Goodell ( apparently the only executive in the country with a pair) suspends The New Black Panther Party for illegal bounties as well.

2) Sean Payton coaches the "New Black Panthers" flag fooball team for the 2012 season.

3) This stuff fires up that idiot Florida pastor to start buring Korans again.

4) Zero is "disappointed" and we have another beer summit.

[Richard]

Florida's Stand Your Ground statute was a key component of the matter which was discussed on the weekly political wrap-ups this morning - sounds like a long-festering issue which this particular incident is bringing to light.

The death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin has put Florida's "stand your ground" law under scrutiny after police cited it as one reason they did not arrest George Zimmerman, the 28-year-old Neighborhood Watch volunteer who said he shot Trayvon in self-defense.

But the man who signed "stand your ground" into law says officials have it wrong. Speaking Friday in Texas, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said "stand your ground" doesn't apply to this case."Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn't mean chase after somebody who's turned their back," Bush told The Dallas Morning News.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...atch-volunteer

And so it goes...

Richard

'Stand Your Ground' law: What's legal?
OrlandoSentinel, 17 Mar 2012

At the center of the controversy surrounding the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin is a Florida law that changed America's definition of self-defense.

The "Stand Your Ground" law, which enables people who perceive a threat to use deadly force without first trying to retreat from a confrontation, was a landmark when it passed in 2005. Since then, 16 more states have adopted similar laws, which are far more lenient than the widely adopted "Castle Doctrine," which allows people to defend themselves in their homes.

George Zimmerman, the community-watch leader who shot Trayvon during an altercation in a gated Sanford community last month, told police he was acting in self-defense. They have not pressed charges.

About Florida's law:

Q: How did law enforcement respond to the law?

A: Prosecutors across the state opposed the law before it was enacted Oct. 1, 2005. In the following five months, there were at least 13 shootings in Central Florida where self-defense was claimed. Out of six men killed and four more wounded in the cases, only one was armed. Some Orlando-area police agencies simply stopped investigating shootings involving self-defense claims and referred them directly to state prosecutors to decide.

Q: The law lets people use force if they "reasonably believe" it's necessary to defend themselves. What defines "reasonable" in the perception of deadly threat?

A: Professor Scott E. Sundby of the University of Miami School of Law says that part of the law is included in many self-defense statutes. "The court leaves that amorphous question to the jury to decide," he said.

Deciding whether someone acted reasonably is also a critical part of the "the fact-intensive inquiry" prosecutors must make before deciding whether charges are warranted in a shooting, Sundby said. That is presumably what is happening in the Seminole-Brevard State Attorney's Office now.

Q: Can an unarmed person legally pose a deadly threat?

In case after case during the past six years, Floridians who shot and killed unarmed opponents have not been prosecuted. Former National Rifle Association President Marion Hammer, a major force behind the law's passage, cited her own size and age in 2006 interview with the Sentinel about what she would do if confronted by a younger and larger aggressor.

"I'm 4-foot-11. I'm 67 years old," she said. "If you came at me, and I felt that my life was in danger or that I was going to be injured, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot you."

Q: What do critics of the law say?

Arthur C. Hayhoe, director of the Florida Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, calls the law "a right to commit murder."

"I predict this case is not going to be charged — it's going to be dismissed," he said of the case against Zimmerman. "Almost every case between two individuals where one was armed and the other was not is dismissed."

Even supporters of the law say it has its limits.

" 'Stand Your Ground' is not a 007 license to kill," said Sean Caranna, founder of Florida Carry, a group advocating gun owners' rights. He stressed that shooting in self-defense requires " a real fear your life is in danger."

Justifiable use of force

776.012 Use of force in defense of person. — A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...e-deadly-force

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

Florida's Stand Your Ground statute was a key component of the matter which was discussed on the weekly political wrap-ups this morning - sounds like a long-festering issue which this particular incident is bringing to light.



And so it goes...

Richard

That's all well and good, but the brouhaha is about the victim being black, not the "stand your ground" BS.

Were the victim white, you wouldn't hear jack about it.

Especially from professional extortionists like Sharpton and Jackson.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Richard

[COLOR="lime"]But the man who signed "stand your ground" into law says officials have it wrong. Speaking Friday in Texas, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said "stand your ground" doesn't apply to this case."Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn't mean chase after somebody who's turned their back," Bush told The Dallas Morning News.

I read that yesterday and was a bit puzzled why the Jebster could make such a statement without knowing all the evidence.


This whole debacle cast a dim light on the so-called leadership of the community and the nation.

[Pete]

The key is what happened after he was talking to the police and they told Z to break it off and stop following TM.

Did he stop and start returning to the truck and TM followed him? Or did he go up to TM and an altercation break out?

If it is the latter - is it against the law to walk up to somebody in your neighbodhood you don't know and ask them what they are doing? If you're minding your own business walking through a different neighborhood - it's reported in some places TM didn't live there but was visiting - and someone questions you with something like "Hey man, you live around here?" is it within your right to say "F Off"?

So I'm sure the police are going through the time line and locations covering the period between the call and the time "John" sees Z on the ground with TM on top.

You would think it would be simple but there are numerous variations of the same story floating around out there - Z on "duty", Z just driving, Z in truck following, Z on foot following - on and on and on.

I think the only ones with a good idea right now are the police doing the investigation - and the first indication of how it's going to go is right after it's presented to the Grand Jury.

No matter what - lots of people are going to be upset.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Pete

The key is what happened after he was talking to the police and they told Z to break it off and stop following TM.

Did he stop and start returning to the truck and TM followed him? Or did he go up to TM and an altercation break out?

If it is the latter - is it against the law to walk up to somebody in your neighbodhood you don't know and ask them what they are doing? If you're minding your own business walking through a different neighborhood - it's reported in some places TM didn't live there but was visiting - and someone questions you with something like "Hey man, you live around here?" is it within your right to say "F Off"?

So I'm sure the police are going through the time line and locations covering the period between the call and the time "John" sees Z on the ground with TM on top.

You would think it would be simple but there are numerous variations of the same story floating around out there - Z on "duty", Z just driving, Z in truck following, Z on foot following - on and on and on.

I think the only ones with a good idea right now are the police doing the investigation - and the first indication of how it's going to go is right after it's presented to the Grand Jury.

No matter what - lots of people are going to be upset.

I am just hoping no one goes Rodney King after the verdict.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Dusty

That's all well and good, but the brouhaha is about the victim being black, not the "stand your ground" BS.

The blogospheric and media-driven smoke, maybe, not the issues - but as Yogi Bear used to say, "Where there's smoke, BooBoo, there may be salmon."

Richard

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Paslode

I am just hoping no one goes Rodney King after the verdict.

Practically guaranteed, after the media (to include Fox) whipped this up as a racially based murder.

TR

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Practically guaranteed, after the media (to include Fox) whipped this up as a racially based murder.

TR

Then the best we can hope is that the verdict comes after the election.

[Dragbag036]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Brother, we aren't the ones who are making a big deal out of the victim's race.

Dusty, not one to argue with my brothers. I just try not to regurgitate the media. They only want to get better ratings. They will tell uneducated black or white Americans anything to get them to watch their crap. And no self proclaimed leader black or white is going to be my spokesperson.

DB