America's Second Civil War

[pcfixer]

Originally Posted by tonyz

We have arguably been in a domestic Cold War for a long time. The left may now be on a path to drag political differences into the street. What a mess.

And today the domestic cold war has entered a whole new level.

https://thenewamerican.com/is-magas-...ing-civil-war/

https://www.theepochtimes.com/protes...s_3646993.html

[Paslode]

Looks like Trump and his supporters are now at war with the RNC as well as the DNC. And Hank Johnson is going to treat Trump supporters like "Negros"

There is less and less to lose by the day, what happens when you have nothing to lose

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Paslode

There is less and less to lose by the day, what happens when you have nothing to lose

Wrong question: What happens when you have everything to fight for and nothing to lose?

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Wrong question: What happens when you have everything to fight for and nothing to lose?

That's a bad day for someone.

[Trapper John]

Thanks to Dan Crenshaw (RTx) for his sober(and correct) analysis. Trump supporters were misled with disinformation and misinformation that the Congress certifies the electors and could object and remand the electors back to the states for a redo. The Constitution does not say this. Congress merely counts the electors from the states. The only time a decision on which electors to seat arises when a state presents more than one slate of electors. This situation did not arise in the 2020 election.

To suggest that VP Pence could unilaterally elect to not seat the electors presented from the six questionable swing states is patently incorrect and unfortunately in the context of how the POTUS presented this at the rally was, sadly, inciting the crowd. The subsequent actions of the crowd lay squarely at the feet of POTUS IMHO.

Thank you Dan. Even SEALs can get it right once in awhile.

[Penn]

TJ, I would argue that Trump grossly underestimated the opportunity offered to the opposition not considering infiltration by BLM and Antifa to disrupt the protest. A method they use in all other peaceful protest to undermine the outcome.

Trump is deal maker, but he's no General.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

Thanks to Dan Crenshaw (RTx) for his sober(and correct) analysis. Trump supporters were misled with disinformation and misinformation that the Congress certifies the electors and could object and remand the electors back to the states for a redo. The Constitution does not say this. Congress merely counts the electors from the states. The only time a decision on which electors to seat arises when a state presents more than one slate of electors. This situation did not arise in the 2020 election.

To suggest that VP Pence could unilaterally elect to not seat the electors presented from the six questionable swing states is patently incorrect and unfortunately in the context of how the POTUS presented this at the rally was, sadly, inciting the crowd. The subsequent actions of the crowd lay squarely at the feet of POTUS IMHO.

Thank you Dan. Even SEALs can get it right once in awhile.

Concur.

Trump’s selection of legal advisors has been less than stellar...look at some of his choices starting with Michael Cohen to Rudy Giuliani (in his current form) and others.

Like many businessmen - Trump seems to favor lawyers who promise him (or echo to him) what he wants to hear - rather than acting as a sober advisor on the law - and then letting Trump make the final decision. Many business folks view the law as a simply another tool to bludgeon opponents. Trump comes from this world as a NYC real estate developer. Too many lawyers are more than willing to take your money for false promises and less than stellar legal positions - and then they litigate the issue (on your dime by the way)...to death. Often, they win by attrition.

Trump comes from a world where you can essentially buy whatever legal position you want - then you litigate the living shit out of your position...

...slash and burn law...terribly destructive and inefficient...but that is now a norm in too many circles.

In this specific matter, Trump needed the precise opposite of slash and burn law...he needed sober legal (and political) advice and a much broader view of the big picture. He did not need an echo chamber of bad legal advice, bad political advice, combined with bad SA of the unintended consequences of his words and actions if he/this idea failed.

IMHO, in this matter, his emotions overrode his better judgement.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

The only time a decision on which electors to seat arises when a state presents more than one slate of electors. This situation did not arise in the 2020 election.

Arizona says they did: https://www.newsmax.com/us/arizona-g...15/id/1001721/