A Federal CCW, Who wants it?

[Fiercely Loyal]

In the wake of the recent Ft. Hood attack the question of CCW holders in uniform and on post has become a frequent topic of conversation not only on this forum but YouTube and other places that have like minded individuals.

My question is who wants it? Who would like to see a Federal CCW be available? I have already contacted the NRA ILA (National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action) to find out if there is a current bill being pushed and if not, where to start.

What I would like is feedback on what you could see as plausible things that should be part of the legislation.

TR already gave some help in another thread.

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I think there should be a national carry, with very few limitations, and a Federal carry permit, much as retired LE has national priviliges, that would be good on installations as well.

These permits would require significant training on the legal issues of lethal force as well as a performance based demonstration of the applicant's capabilties to make judgements and engage threats in real time.

What I can offer is updates that I get thru the NRA ILA and links to any info I do come up with.

Thanks for the help,
FL

[Ambush Master]

There have been several attempts to make the CHL/CCW Licenses viable in ALL States just like Drivers Licenses. If that would go through, then the Military would need to ammend their Regs to recognize that Law or like you said a Blanket Fedeal Law allowing the carrying on Fedeal Property.

[rubberneck]

Originally Posted by Fiercely Loyal

In the wake of the recent Ft. Hood attack the question of CCW holders in uniform and on post has become a frequent topic of conversation not only on this forum but YouTube and other places that have like minded individuals.

My question is who wants it? Who would like to see a Federal CCW be available? I have already contacted the NRA ILA (National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action) to find out if there is a current bill being pushed and if not, where to start.

What I would like is feedback on what you could see as plausible things that should be part of the legislation.

TR already gave some help in another thread.


What I can offer is updates that I get thru the NRA ILA and links to any info I do come up with.

Thanks for the help,
FL

I don't want a national CCW. I want all states to issue a license that all others must honor just like drivers licenses and marriage licenses. I don't want the Federal government involved in another aspect of my life.

[abc_123]

Originally Posted by rubberneck

I don't want a national CCW. I want all states to issue a license that all others must honor just like drivers licenses and marriage licenses. I don't want the Federal government involved in another aspect of my life.

How would this address the issue of carrying on Federal installations?

[rubberneck]

Originally Posted by abc_123

How would this address the issue of carrying on Federal installations?

I suppose the Federal Government can write the rules for CCW on a Federal installations.

[Fiercely Loyal]

I do suppose clarification is already in order. I at this time am not advocating for a National CCW.

What I would rather see is the ability to carry within your state if you meet your states CCW criteria, and a separate CCW criteria on Federal Installations. Much how you can drive a motorcycle off post but to drive it on post you must attend the safety class. I can see this catering to a unique group of people but keep in mind there are a lot of DOD civilians that could use this also.

I would also venture to say that if you were able to obtain thru training and background checks, a CCW for all federal installations, that this would probably require more than all state CCW programs in place. That in turn could be recognized as required training for said states program making it easier to obtain, or instate automatic reciprocity for any Federal CCW holder.

Furthermore I believe that it SHOULD NOT be BRANCH nor RANK specific. If you have met the back ground checks and the required DOD safety / scenario training and firearms proficiency, you should be able to obtain this CCW. This would be the same EXACT training for everyone.

If we hire non military civilians just turning 21 to man our gates and trust them with a loaded firearm why not the Joe who has checked all the blocks and demonstrates the correct intent?

[abc_123]

Originally Posted by Fiercely Loyal

I do suppose clarification is already in order. I at this time am not advocating for a National CCW.

What I would rather see is the ability to carry within your state if you meet your states CCW criteria, and a separate CCW criteria on Federal Installations. Much how you can drive a motorcycle off post but to drive it on post you must attend the safety class. I can see this catering to a unique group of people but keep in mind there are a lot of DOD civilians that could use this also.

That's what I thought you were referring to. Thanks for the clarification.


That would work for me. As would mandated reciprocity...althought i'm not sure I understand the difference between that and a national CCW permit...?

I just can't keep thinking about how stupid it is that I can't carry in so very many places...(state, local, federal) when I'd do nothing but make EVERYONE safer if allowed to do so by law.

[cowboykpy]

Originally Posted by Fiercely Loyal

I do suppose clarification is already in order. I at this time am not advocating for a National CCW.

What I would rather see is the ability to carry within your state if you meet your states CCW criteria, and a separate CCW criteria on Federal Installations. Much how you can drive a motorcycle off post but to drive it on post you must attend the safety class. I can see this catering to a unique group of people but keep in mind there are a lot of DOD civilians that could use this also.

I would also venture to say that if you were able to obtain thru training and background checks, a CCW for all federal installations, that this would probably require more than all state CCW programs in place. That in turn could be recognized as required training for said states program making it easier to obtain, or instate automatic reciprocity for any Federal CCW holder.

Furthermore I believe that it SHOULD NOT be BRANCH nor RANK specific. If you have met the back ground checks and the required DOD safety / scenario training and firearms proficiency, you should be able to obtain this CCW. This would be the same EXACT training for everyone.

If we hire non military civilians just turning 21 to man our gates and trust them with a loaded firearm why not the Joe who has checked all the blocks and demonstrates the correct intent?

By creating some additional training and certification as FL stated above I agree, but I disagree with a National CHL/CCW regulated by the Feds. This is a states rights issue and is already being handled by the states, it just needs updating for current events.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by abc_123

How would this address the issue of carrying on Federal installations?

I think the word is Comity (or reciprocity)..

In law, comity specifically refers to legal reciprocity—the principle that one jurisdiction will extend certain courtesies to other nations (or other jurisdictions within the same nation), particularly by recognizing the validity and effect of their executive, legislative, and judicial acts.

In the law of the United States, comity may refer to the Privileges and Immunities Clause (sometimes called the Comity Clause) in Article Four of the United States Constitution. This clause provides that "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."

I think the laws are already on the books. The interpreters (SCOTUS) needs to be awaken..

We do not need more Federal intervention...

I have little enthusiasm for a Federal CCW because it would, by it's nature, cater to the least common denominator. Many of us in states with generous rules would lose ground. On the other hand, a Federal law requiring states to honor other state's licenses as we do with driver's licenses might be a rewarding avenue.

[FMF DOC]

Would like it to be state by state but as mentioned above have all other states honor it... Hell keep it on your current drivers liecense like the box(space) for organ donor. If your ever pulled over or whenever you got to show your ID it's marked right there for all to see that you have the right to Conceal & Carry.
my 2cents

[Utah Bob]

Originally Posted by FMF DOC

Would like it to be state by state but as mentioned above have all other states honor it... Hell keep it on your current drivers liecense like the box(space) for organ donor. If your ever pulled over or whenever you got to show your ID it's marked right there for all to see that you have the right to Conceal & Carry.
my 2cents

No need to put it on the license. Currently, whenever you're pulled over and they run your driver license, your ccw will be indicated on the computer.

Originally Posted by Utah Bob

No need to put it on the license. Currently, whenever you're pulled over and they run your driver license, your ccw will be indicated on the computer.

Hmmm... I don't think that this is true for Ohio, but I'll check.

[Utah Bob]

Originally Posted by HowardCohodas

Hmmm... I don't think that this is true for Ohio, but I'll check.

Can't speak for Ohio but it's pretty standard in most states.