Why We Want To Kill You

[Sdiver]

This should go over real well.

Former terrorists to explain 'why we want to kill you.'


BOULDER - Two self-proclaimed former terrorists are scheduled to speak at the University of Colorado on Tuesday in a speech called "Why We Want to Kill You."


CU's College Republicans group made the request to bring in the two former Islamic terrorists, Walid Shoebat and Kamal Saleem, at a price tag of $10,000. The university has footed the bill for the 7 p.m. lecture out of the mandatory $670 per student activity fee, of which they say about $20 is used to bring in speakers annually.

Spokesman for CU, Bronson Hilliard, told Boulder's Daily Camera the university does not micromanage the list of guest speakers.

"I don't think these events are beneficiary [sic] for the students we have here," said Sadra Azimi of the Muslim Students Association.

CU student-diversity groups and the Muslim Student Association are calling the event entirely anti-Muslim and are encouraging people to research the speakers.

"It's very similar to what guys like Osama bin Laden do. I think they are doing the same thing," said Azimi. "They're spreading the message of hatred to almost one-fifth of the world's population and I think it's dangerous."

The speakers, who say they are frequently met with heckles and demonstrations, want to give students a different view on the war on terror and the conflicts in the Middle East.

"Patriotism is now an anathema at the university campuses and schools," said Shoebat. "My kids went to school here in America. They're taught anti-America all the time; anti-Americanism all the time; the hatred of this country all the time. And I ask the question, if America is so bad, then why would 150 Muslim student associations establish organizations here?"

Shoebat says he became a part of the Muslim brotherhood in the early 80s and says the Jihad movement is very real.

Officials at CU say, while many of the posters advertising the event have been torn down, the event is sold out.

Saleem, who will join Shoebat for the lecture at the Glen Miller Auditorium on Tuesday, says terrorism is not just the act of blowing up a bomb.

"Terrorism starts politically, financially, then it goes to blowing up themselves," said Saleem. "Terrorism is like a drug addiction."

Azimi says he thinks Shoebat and Saleem are still terrorists.

"I think they're terrorists right now," said Azimi. "A terrorist is someone who spreads terror and fear, and I think they're doing exactly the same thing right now."

The Muslim Students Associations says it doesn't plan protests, but its members will be on hand to ask questions.

[AngelsSix]

I personally would love to attend an event where two people like that get up and speak, it's very educational. I wouldn't mind explaining to them why I want to return the favor!!

[CSB]

Isn't this the same college that formerly hosted Professor Ward Churchill?

[Ret10Echo]

Perhaps they could perform a "homicide bomber" demonstration out on the football field following their speech.....

[DTH350]

Originally Posted by CSB

Isn't this the same college that formerly hosted Professor Ward Churchill?

CSB -

Yes, the University of Colorado, Boulder, did formally host Ward Churchill. Interestingly enough, my international law professor is his wife. She had Ward come speak to us during the final class of the semester on the topic of indigenous peoples' rights. After class, I sat down and spoke with him. I told him of my plans to tryout for SF upon completion of law school.

Of course, my initial presumption was that he would be totally against the armed forces, especially the tip of the spear. However, he was quite complimentary of the military in that it is a necessity - it seems his issue is not with the fact we have a military but rather with what international policies we use it to implement - he didn't exactly say this, but it is what I gathered from the discussion. It was also interesting to found out that he served in Vietnam. I don't agree with his politics, but from my experience he seems to have good intentions, albeit misunderstood and taken out of context much of the time. But to qualify what I have said - I would need to do much more research on exactly what he has advocated in the past before I made a definitive assertion that he has good intentions - this is just my initial perception; however inaccurate it may be.
Anyway, thought it was interesting that you mentioned him and I just happened to be talking with him a couple weeks ago.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by DTH350

I don't agree with his politics, but from my experience he seems to have good intentions, albeit misunderstood and taken out of context much of the time.

Would those good intentions include his lying about being Native American in order to manipulate affirmative action hiring procedures, entering a teaching position without the required academic credentials, plagarizing others' work for his books and articles, making up research and falsifying information?

http://www.colorado.edu/news/reports...hillReport.pdf

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Razor

Would those good intentions include his lying about being Native American in order to manipulate affirmative action hiring procedures, entering a teaching position without the required academic credentials, plagarizing others' work for his books and articles, making up research and falsifying information?

http://www.colorado.edu/news/reports...hillReport.pdf

Yeah, that would be the same Ward Churchill.

TR

[DTH350]

Originally Posted by Razor

Would those good intentions include his lying about being Native American in order to manipulate affirmative action hiring procedures, entering a teaching position without the required academic credentials, plagarizing others' work for his books and articles, making up research and falsifying information?

http://www.colorado.edu/news/reports...hillReport.pdf

Razor,

Thank you for the link. To answer your question, no - those would definitely not constitute good intentions, which is why I am glad I qualified my statement. I have attached two links below: one is a counter to the allegations against Churchill written by his wife (my professor), Natsu Saito; the second is a cite that has tons of info about Churchill. As soon as exams are over, I plan on doing some research on the topic. I'll let you know what I turn up.

http://www.counterpunch.org/saito06212007.html

www.pirateballerina.com/blog/entry.php?id=546

[Sdiver]

Well I for one, am SURPRISED !!!!

Not one riotous act, not even a heckler was present at last night's gathering.

http://cbs4denver.com/local/Walid.Sh....2.712150.html



Could it be that the PRB is growing up ????

Naaaaaaaaaaa

[kgoerz]

There getting ready for the Democratic convention in June. From reading the article I have doubts either one of these knuckle heads ever picked up a Gun before.

[JGarcia]

Walid Shoebat has a website. I can see how a guy like him could really piss off the CAIR people. No wonder they didnt want him to speak.

"Patriotism is now an anathema at the university campuses and schools," said Shoebat. "My kids went to school here in America. They're taught anti-America all the time; anti-Americanism all the time; the hatred of this country all the time."

The teachers aren't terrorist. They are Democrats!

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Remington Raidr

The teachers aren't terrorist. They are Democrats!

True that there is a liberal shift on college campuses...but if one looks really closely...the right-thinking, republican-touting, gun-owning teachers are there also.

The Collegiate Republicans at CU obviously had an objective in bringing in these "speakers." Was it met?

JMHO,

Holly