02-27-2006, 11:59
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02-27-2006, 12:35
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I hope she runs..........for exactly those reasons stated in this OP/ED. 
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02-27-2006, 12:42
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Saw the article, tend to agree.
My question is, who will they put up against her? The POTUS mentioned Jeb and Condi this past weekend. They have both also said that they were not interested. I also think that people may be tired of the dynasty by now.
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02-27-2006, 12:49
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Valid point re dynasties. Nancy may, or may not like "Dubya", she sure as hell does not like political dynasties.
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02-27-2006, 21:21
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National Review has speculated Mit Romney or George Allen with Rudy Guilliani as VP. They tend to have a finger on the pulse of the RNC. I think that is a very solid ticket, however, I support a Michael Savage lead ticket.
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02-27-2006, 21:48
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National Review has speculated Mit Romney or George Allen with Rudy Guilliani as VP. They tend to have a finger on the pulse of the RNC. I think that is a very solid ticket, however, I support a Michael Savage lead ticket.
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You can have Michael Weiner (that is, the real name of Michael Savage). The guy's a jerk.
I wouldn't be against a Mitt Romney ticket of some sort, even if I think he goes too far in some directions and not far enough in others. From all reports I've seen, he's a clear-headed businessman, on the correct side of most of the issues I hold dear, and a decent family man. There are better candidates, and many worse, but few arrive with the perfect TV looks and lack of national baggage that Romney comes with.
I do not, however, envisage Rudy Giuliani being his VP. Giuliani has the name recognition, and can't see him much caring to be second fiddle to someone less famous than himself.
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02-28-2006, 07:15
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Indeed the leader of the Weiner Nation is reactinary and abrasive but he is passionate and maintains one thing most others dont - independence. I say it only half serious. I think that he is very bright and an independent conservative thinker but I am very aware he is not electable.
I think that Guilliani or Romney would be VP to the other for two reasons.
1. Party loyalty. The only way they got where they are is because of the RNC and when the RNC wants recompensed a party man must pay up.
2. The Vice Presidency, indubitably, precipitates a run for the Presidency.
I was only putting forth what NR proposed. I would settle for a Steve Forbes led ticket with Savage (or Rick Santorum) as VP. After all Forbes is a business man and Santorum a family man - something we support.
On a side note none of these candidates are leaders like Hamilton, T.Roosevelt or Lincoln so the idea that they will define an epoch in our short history is unlikely. I believe there will be a time in the next 35 years that a great leader will come to power. Someone in the mold of the aforementioned.
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02-28-2006, 10:07
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National Review has speculated Mit Romney or George Allen with Rudy Guilliani as VP. They tend to have a finger on the pulse of the RNC. I think that is a very solid ticket, however, I support a Michael Savage lead ticket.
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Savage's nightly impression of "Network" Howard Beale, shows he understands marketing, and nothing more. He is an extremist in the mold of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, advocating genocide as a solution.
You have taken some liberties drawing the correlation between the Republican Party and Savage. He is an Independent with no affiliation with the Republican Party. Just setting the record straight!
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02-28-2006, 12:08
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Savage's nightly impression of "Network" Howard Beale, shows he understands marketing, and nothing more. He is an extremist in the mold of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, advocating genocide as a solution.
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I disagree. I never saw Peter Finch's Beale character but am familiar with Savage's adopted tag line "I'm mad as hell...." To say he understands nothing more than marketing is a bit presumptuous, I think. I won't conjecture whether you listen to him or not but if one listened regularly one would realize that the man does understand more than marketing. He is reactionary and extreme but also insightful as was McCarthy and other patriots.
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You have taken some liberties drawing the correlation between the Republican Party and Savage. He is an Independent with no affiliation with the Republican Party. Just setting the record straight!
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That was unintended. After listening to Savage for two years and reading his books it is innacurate to call him a republican. I wasn't clear but did not intend to affiliate him to the republican party. They would never accept a maverick like him.
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02-28-2006, 12:37
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My question for Dr. Weiner is (having listened to him for quite a while), how much of it is him really being a "maverick" and how much is pure shock-jock ranting in order to get ratings?
Some people agree with him, but many simply tune in for the trainwreck factor.
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02-28-2006, 15:42
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I would love to see Romney run with Rudy. I love the things Mitt has done in Mass over the past few years, however I don't like the fact that he changed some of his stances on things like abortion and gay rights just to set up a national run. But I'm just a lowely independent anyways. Off to do some work, woohoo I love finals week 
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02-28-2006, 15:45
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National Review has speculated Mit Romney or George Allen with Rudy Guilliani as VP. They tend to have a finger on the pulse of the RNC. I think that is a very solid ticket, however, I support a Michael Savage lead ticket.
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Which one of these guys (to include McCain) is the conservative Republican? 
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02-28-2006, 15:55
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Exactly. I guess the pundits think that a true conservative wouldn't have a chance after 8 years under George Bush. I disagree with that sentiment and even take exception to the notion that Bush is a conservative in the Reagan mold. Huckabee from Arkansas is a candidate I would like to see run. Gov Matt Blount is still needs seasoning, but if he doesn't step on his crank will end up in the White House one day.
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02-28-2006, 17:07
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Which one of these guys (to include McCain) is the conservative Republican?
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Sir, they (RNC) are not concerned as much with conservatism as they are getting elected.
We need a Goldwater republican!
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02-28-2006, 17:11
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Sir, they (RNC) are not concerned as much with conservatism as they are getting elected.
We need a Goldwater republican!
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Looks like a herd of RINOs to me.
Only true conservative I have seen mentioned is Condi. Now she could win! I could see Rudy as a VP on that ticket doing some big numbers against Hillary.
TR
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