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Old 01-11-2006, 23:15   #1
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British Officer Comments about U.S. Forces

Hmmm, http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...684561,00.html
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Old 01-12-2006, 08:09   #2
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Old 01-12-2006, 08:22   #3
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Actually it is a pretty good article and critique of the mindset of a lot of the conventional side of our military. Counter-insurgency is not as much a military problem as it is economic, political, informational, and cultural. The military, to be effective, has to be in the supporting and not the leading role. The informational aspect especially has been elevated to a new "art form" with the plethora of technological devices, gadgets, and manipulative abilities to influence and in some cases prepare the battlefield. It is important to note that there is no criticism of the troop but there is a criticism of the mindset of some and especially of the command climate. This conflict, like all conflicts before it, has become politicized and I can only imagine what it must be like in the daily command and staff briefings and continuous modifications to ROEs to "manage" rather than lead the effort. Just my .02.
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Old 01-12-2006, 09:32   #4
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Ditto on Jack

As with all things in the information age the talk covered a number of areas. Each in it's own right could be a college class.

A number of people love to pick and choose a small nut here and there from what people of importance say to push a point on the axe they try and grind.

Edit - I'm talking about how the story was written.

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Old 01-12-2006, 09:39   #5
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A pure case of a writer using a Headline which doesn't accurately refletd the content of the article. The Brit and US Tabloids arer great at this. I thought it was a good and accurate article.
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Old 01-12-2006, 09:55   #6
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I hate reading some editors interpretation.

Here is the actual article from Military Review:

http://usacac.leavenworth.army.mil/C...c05/aylwin.pdf
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Old 01-12-2006, 10:33   #7
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ghuinness,

Thanks for the real article. A lot more balanced and seems to offer an attempt to help.....not hurt. Damn media boneheads get something that they think is good and run it.

At least they are consistent.

Consistency = Predictibility

Makes them easier to ignore.
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Old 01-12-2006, 18:05   #8
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The Brit is right and the so called military intellectuals rebutting have their noses out of joint.

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Old 01-12-2006, 18:07   #9
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Silly englishman.

I agree with Colonel Sir. There are no doubt some valid comments there. For one, I agree very much with:
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The Army took too long to adapt to the changed requirements arising from Phase 4 operations.
, although I don't get wrapped around the axle about phases. Same thing happened. We sat around waiting for them to tell us what to do next. Fortunately, we didn't have the insurgent situation the guys in Iraq do.

The funny thing is, call the classics warn of missing the change. Every one of them I have read. Clausewitz is adamant about it. Callwell is all over it.

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This is a classic case of people getting their panties in a knot over the Headline without reading the article.
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This is a classic case of people getting their panties in a knot over the Headline without reading the article.

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Another Brit Perspective - America's John Wayne Generals

Just got this from a friend. Personally I think there's an uncomfortable amount of truth here. Peregrino

British brigadier attacks America's John Wayne generals
By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 19/04/2006)

A senior British officer has criticised "shoulder-holster" American generals for trying to emulate film stars.

Brig Alan Sharpe, who worked alongside Americans in Baghdad, said there was a "strong streak of Hollywood" with officers trying to portray themselves as Sylvester Stallone or John Wayne.

He wrote the comments in a paper on Britain's influence on US foreign relations and the essay is likely to strain the "special relationship" further, coming after other British officers' criticism of the American approach.

An important part to being a successful American officer was to be able to combine the "real and acted heroics" of Audie Murphy, the "newsreel antics" of Gen Douglas MacArthur and the "movie performances" of Hollywood actors, the brigadier wrote.

While this might look good on television at home, the brigadier suggested that "loud voices, full body armour, wrap-around sunglasses, air strikes and daily broadcasts from shoulder-holster wearing brigadier-generals proudly announcing how many Iraqis have been killed by US forces today" was no "hearts-and-minds winning tool".

Brig Sharpe, 46, who was awarded the OBE and the American Bronze Star for writing the "coalition campaign plan" for Iraq during a tour in Baghdad in 2004, is regarded as a high-flier.

But US officers he is working with as commander of British Forces in the Balkans will not be impressed by references to the early US regime in Iraq as "autocratic" and an "interim dictatorship".

By contrast British servicemen, although under-equipped, were "undemonstrative, phlegmatic and pragmatic", patrolled on foot where possible and were keen to interact with locals.

Arguing that the Army's 500 years of experience gave it a marked edge over the Americans in insurgency operations, Brig Sharpe said the senior British officers in Baghdad should continue with their moderating influence.

Rather than Britain punching above its weight it should "stand in the corner, with a bucket and towel, advising the undisputed heavyweight champion about who and how to fight".

He referred to America as a "hyper power" in the paper, written during a year-long course with other leading military figures from around the world, run by the Royal College of Defence Studies.

Brig Sharpe said the most effective way of passing on British experience was to place capable officers "with a feel for the British way of doing business" into positions of influence alongside American officers where they could "practically influence the decisions, plans and conduct on the ground of US adventures in world policing".

Tony Blair should not try to secure influence by providing "hollowed-out formations with little real capability".

Brig Sharpe gave the "last word" to an anecdote about a "subjugated Iraqi" just before his release from detention.

The Ba'athist was loudly lectured by an American officer, who was accompanied by a quiet British brigadier, on the dangers of returning to his "previously nefarious ways".

As the Iraqi left he said: "Hey, Mr American, next time before you shout so much you should speak to him. He is British - they know how to invade a country."

The Ministry of Defence said the thesis reflected Brig Sharpe's "personal views" but it was the object of the college course to "stimulate debate".
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Those "undemonstrative, phlegmatic and pragmatic" British troops have essentially allowed Iranian-influenced Shi'ite militias to control the police and other government services in al-Basrah.

There can be too heavy a hand, but there can also be too light. And while a lot of Europeans can be discomfitted by American swagger, others respond to it. Arabs, I've noticed, tend to emulate it.
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Old 04-21-2006, 12:26   #14
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US vs Brits

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....Arguing that the Army's 500 years of experience gave it a marked edge over the Americans in insurgency operations, Brig Sharpe said the senior British officers in Baghdad should continue with their moderating influence.....
Now granted I'm an American and I do hold with American superiority so my views are a little one sided.

But........

As I recall we whopped 'um good in two (one had a lot of COIN), bailed them out in two, supported them like heck in a third and so.......

I'll stop here before I PO somebody.

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Those "undemonstrative, phlegmatic and pragmatic" British troops have essentially allowed Iranian-influenced Shi'ite militias to control the police and other government services in al-Basrah.

There can be too heavy a hand, but there can also be too light. And while a lot of Europeans can be discomfitted by American swagger, others respond to it. Arabs, I've noticed, tend to emulate it.
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